Truth is a pathless land...

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When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation in the mind.

— J. Krishnamurti



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Truth

The path of TRUTH if beyond time and space and its path is infinite.

madan_gautam | Fri, 10/10/2008 - 04:23
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The infinite path thingy

Truth is on an infinite path? Does it know it can't get where it's going without time and space?

Phroggy | Fri, 10/10/2008 - 07:28
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Truth

It is not a theory but its my personal experience.
On theory one can argue but on experience nothing remains for argument.
OM

madan_gautam | Fri, 10/10/2008 - 12:00
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Let's get serious here, okay?

I wasn't suggesting Truth was a theory, nor was I hoping for an argument. I was commenting on your post, hoping for clarity:

"The path of TRUTH if beyond time and space and its path is infinite."

You talk about Truth as though it is on an infinite path. Probably you don't mean that. Do you mean there is a path to arrive at Truth? If so, how can that be if you ARE Truth?
What could it mean that "it's path is infinite".

Pretend I'm not as ignorant as you think I am, and talk to me, please.

Phroggy | Fri, 10/10/2008 - 17:46
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Truth

I think there is understanding problem.
when i am saying that truth is beyond time then it means when you establish your self in truth then time is meaningless as the person starts leaving in present only and for him/her there is no past and future.
second when i am saying that it is beyond space then it is that at that place you are not bound to any thing and there is no boundary for him, the boundaries of religion,cast,path and so on other one.
When i am saying that it is infinite then it means that truth does not manifest in one way, it has endless dimensions for one example here, Krishna & Gautam Buddha both were established in truth even though the way of living and the approach to life of both were totally different, Gautam Buddha could never thought of violence at any stage of life,while Krishna fought Mahabharata Battle.
this shows that the truth is limitless and in person when it comes, comes in new way always and that's why it is infinite.
And at last let me say that even establishing in the truth,the journey is not stopped it goes on and goes on.
Krishna did meditation up to last moment of HIS life and did Gautam Buddha so . One can enter in the path of truth but there is no end & one goes in it deep & deep.
we are the dolls of salt & when we goes into sea to measure it's depth then up to some extent we can tell the depth and when we melt in it then who will tell the depth and we will not be there to identify ourselves only ocean will be there .Truth is like the Himalaya with sugar and we are like ant ,we go there and pick up one or two crystals and find our self satisfied but that heap of sugar remain same.That is with truth also, we establish our self in it but it is never concurred.No body in this world has ever claimed that HE has concurred the truth. The claims are only for establishing in truth.
OM

madan_gautam | Sat, 10/11/2008 - 09:20
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Okay thanks

"That is with truth also, we establish our self in it but it is never concurred.No body in this world has ever claimed that HE has concurred the truth. The claims are only for establishing in truth."

Interesting comment. I suppose you mean "conquered"? If so, the notion of conquering Truth is a first for me. To begin with, there is no one left to conquer it, is there? You ARE that Truth, and I'm not certain there's anywhere for You to go with it. Do you see that there is something to learn about it or something to be done with it other than be it? I believe this is what Buddha was doing; just being it.

Phroggy | Sat, 10/11/2008 - 09:49
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Truth

Its better to establish in inner self/truth or just being it and one will get answer from inner core not from dead books and then there is no need to justify others quotes because then one is itself a living book.
OM

madan_gautam | Sun, 10/12/2008 - 07:45
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If so...

If so, you can answer Phroggy's question from the inner core, right?

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Omkaradatta | Sun, 10/12/2008 - 20:55
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Reply

"...and when we melt in it then who will tell the depth and we will not be there to identify ourselves only ocean will be there."

If a mouth is there, it can speak.

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 10/11/2008 - 18:06
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Mouth & speach

At that stage only Witness remains.Before that Viewing & object vanish permanently.The Witness is HE & GOD in common language. When there is no action of viewing any object any question of talking about it simply does not arise.Witness is the stage of complete inner silence & is Known as a stage of Bliss.
OM

madan_gautam | Sun, 10/12/2008 - 08:06
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You sound

No offense, but it sounds like you're reciting a memorized text.

You don't need to be an advaitic dictionary for people, they can read their own texts.

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Omkaradatta | Sun, 10/12/2008 - 21:01
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Advaitic Dictionary

I do not think that the sharing of ones experience is advaitic dictionary.In old days the Old Sagas used to sit and discuss their achievements and their experiences ,though their opinion & experiences used to be different(can be seen in Upnishad)but original in their nature.
One can not cheat oneself if so then he/she is just in ignorance.Rest about memories!they are not mine as i live in present not in past & only past has memories,
Rest if some one is genuine in his /her experiences then one should not worry about others truth as he/she know the truth.
OM

madan_gautam | Mon, 10/13/2008 - 12:28