The basic difference between science and spirituality

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What is the basic difference between science and spirituality?

In science, subject and object may be one.

In spirituality, subject and object cannot be one. If you are able to observe something than this something is not you.

Beyond spirituality, when god is realized, the subject and object must be one.

— Riktam Kantu, A Spiritual User Manual for the Skeptic Human Mind



dhorai's picture

good and excellent!

but beyond! sun star is cause of science and astrology
but scientist and astologers fight.....
because of jupiter....
but sun has come from brahma truth....
so truth is beyond science....
and brahma is jupiter.....
and vishnu is mercury he is beyond jupiter....
(and mercury and jupiter in each others house id detrimental
like yogacharya sundaram and andiappan the great)

and beyond mercury is saturn amd beyond saturn is mars rahu and ketu.
so u end in a node and begin with 9 like aries.....

so 9 has become 0 and 1
and 9 is number of god but he is called servant....
so when u see a servant remember this....

dhorai.

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Thu, 12/25/2008 - 22:00
dhorai's picture

a truth! just dawned!

beyond science is truth=3
beyond truth is scredness=5
beyond scredness is perfect servant=8
beyond service is nodes and mars.

and u have to end in node...

so physics speak of nodal points like varma sastra...

so shall we say " a dead end is beginning of complete holded creation"

mark the word holded and also ask for explanation u may not know all ...... explanations.

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Thu, 12/25/2008 - 22:06
davids's picture

diminishing subject

The above can be phrased alternatively: In science the subject is constant (and the object changes), in spirituality it is the subject that changes (diminishes).

davids | Thu, 01/08/2009 - 10:22
genep's picture

Science = Spirituality

Science is the Deception
that makes Maya appear real.
-- O'no

genep | Sat, 03/14/2009 - 14:14
Phroggy's picture

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"In science, subject and object may be one.

In spirituality, subject and object cannot be one. If you are able to observe something than this something is not you."

The opposite seems to be true. Science is based on objectivity. Subject and object can never be one or the scientific process collapses.

Oneness is the foundation of much of spirituality. Maybe what you meant to say is:

"In spirituality, subject and object may be one.

In science, subject and object cannot be one. If you are able to observe something than this something is not you."

Phroggy | Sat, 03/14/2009 - 18:57
davids's picture

How can an object be the subject in non-theoretical spirituality

Science regards your body and its organs as part of you, it regards the psyche as part of you, it regards the mind as part of you... This is the core foundation of the western psychology...

Moreover, science (mathematics) believes there is a relationship called "reflexive relationship" in which an object can have a process into itself.

Bottom line: science doesn't conclude that if you can observe something this something can't be you.

On the other hand, "subject and object cannot be one" is the only expression of Oneness that the mind can comprehend, it is the only signpost that truly leads to the understanding of oneness. To say that all is one is nice as a hypothesis but actually has no meaning for the mind (the same as with its incapability to grasp endlessness).

When the object can not be the subject (which is the foundation of accepting and observing, which is the foundation of realizing that the mind and body are not you, which is the foundation of self Inquiry, which is the foundation for arriving at being), the "I" minimizes until it gets into nothingness in terms of the ability of the subject to grasp it as an object. Being "nothing" feels like being "everything" and this leads to experiencing oneness.

davids | Thu, 04/30/2009 - 09:50
Phroggy's picture

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Science regards the body as a mechanism. It may assign the psyche or mind to the individual, but it will not ask the psyche to objectively study itself because it knows the subject cannot be objective about the subject. What if a scientist came to a syposium with the results of a research study he did on the state of his own psychic makeup using his psychic makeup as his tool?

The scientific process is based on objective analysis, which is why the study of consciousness, which will ultimately reveal objectivity to be false, is threatening to science.

I can't answer your question directly because I don't know what "non-theoretical spirituality" is. My mind just draws a blank at that. Hehe.

Phroggy | Fri, 05/01/2009 - 03:34
genep's picture

Subject = Object

"In science, subject and object may be one.
In spirituality, subject and object cannot be one. If you are able to observe something than this something is not you."

-- YES exactly like in fiction, movie, book, computer...Language.

and YES, also exactly like in a dream, hallucination, even Physics and its Cosmos in which subject and object -- the observer and the observed -- appear different even though they are ALWAYS ONE.
-- wreally really

genep | Wed, 04/22/2009 - 17:46
madan_gautam's picture

science and spirituality

science------ The search world out side

spirituality---- The search of self inside

OM

madan_gautam | Wed, 04/29/2009 - 13:44
Mastercvvyoga's picture

Good quote. Spirituality is

Good quote.
Spirituality is purely based on the feeling.

khbbind

Mastercvvyoga | Wed, 08/19/2009 - 15:11
RandomStu's picture

Before-thinking

Science appears after-thinking. In meditation, we can experience before-thinking. These are different realms, so there is no conflict.

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/

RandomStu | Sat, 09/12/2009 - 23:54
Amit Soni's picture

Science is not god but God is Science

Some people say science is god but when we go deeply in meditation then we come to know science is not god but god is science. Because our physical science is incomplete there are so much truths those are beyond physical science but come under spiritual science.

Amit Soni | Fri, 01/01/2010 - 08:00