Do you believe in reincarnation?

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REINCARNATION IS TRUE ONLY ON THE BASE OF FALSE SELF.

Santthosh
HI TANIA,
WHEN BIRTH,LIFE AND DEATH ARE PART OF THE ILLUSION HOW CAN THE REINCARNATION CAN BE TRUE. REINCARNATION IS TRUE ONLY WHEN ONE VIEWS AND JUDGES THE WORLDVIEW ON THE BASE OF 'I' WHICH IS THE FALSE SELF. ON THE BASE OF TRUE SELF THE BIRTH,LIFE AND DEATH ARE MERE ILLUSION.
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
SANTTHOSH.

santthosh kumaar | Tue, 07/01/2008 - 05:50
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True

Agreed, but within that view it IS true, in the sense that if one sees a snake where there is a rope, the snake, to that seer, is no less real than the rope to someone who sees the truth.

Chaitanya | Fri, 07/04/2008 - 13:08
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Re: True

Santthosh
There is neither the rope nor the snake. The illusion[DUALITY] is created out of single substence. That non dual substence prevails as ultimate reality. Therefore the there is neither seer nor the seen prevails in ultimate reality.

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 09/22/2008 - 15:32
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The snake...

... cannot 'bite' if it's really a rope, it can only cause fear.

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Omkaradatta | Mon, 09/22/2008 - 16:12
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My reincarnation theory

I see this is probly where your 'dream theory' blog came from. Yes, reincarnation theory cannot be said to not happen on the basis of illusion. This is a contextual error.

My theory about reincarnation is that it's both true and false. The 'karmic' aspects of a newborn are not isolated from anybody's life since the dream is fully integrated in it's apparent functioning, but the question that can (but won't) be asked is, what part of the ego self carries over from one lifetime to the next, even if we assume it's a direct reincarnation of some soul thingy?

In the context of reincarnation, what is of concern is the egoic self, constructed of definitions, experiences. The child is born without memory of that egoic self and it's environment, physical makeup and propensities need not have any similarity to the past life. IOW, what remains of the supposed person who died?

Phroggy | Mon, 09/22/2008 - 17:57
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Nisargadatta's take...

Here's what Nisargadatta had to say about it in "I Am That":

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M: Just as the knower of the body appears at birth, so he disappears at death.

Q: And nothing remains?

M: Life remains. Consciousness needs a vehicle and an instrument for its manifestation. When life produces another body, another knower comes into being.

Q: Is there a causal link between the successive body- knowers, or body-minds?

M: Yes, there is something that may be called the memory body, or causal body, a record of all that was thought, wanted and done. It is like a cloud of images held together.
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My only comment is that he has no way of 'knowing' the above, as there's no direct perception/experience surrounding stuff like 'causal bodies', nor any after-death type stuff. My guess is this was one of his (fairly rare) references to traditional Hinduism that had nothing to do with his everyday experience, but I could be mistaken.

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 09/23/2008 - 06:26
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More theory.

Yeah, you're assessment is likely right. I 'see' something similar to that, but I also see how it's contextually bounded and conceptualized, and so not entirely accurate. We could call it a theory. ;)

There is seemingly an evolution going on so that all experiences become a part of the consciousness that humanity is alligned with. As Niz says, "A record of all that was thought, wanted and done". I also see what I can only describe as an 'experiential gap' that forms prior to a birth into physicality, as though something is not being experienced, and so a vehicle spontaneously forms to fill that gap. That 'gap' may have formed by the incomplete experience of thousands of vehicles, and so the new vehicle may have strong ties to many of those experiencers, and those other vehicles don't even need to be dead, but we can't say it's a reincarnation of any of em.
Anyhoo, I see no people reincarnating as such either.

Phroggy | Tue, 09/23/2008 - 07:37