A perfect master but a marketing machinery is created around him

shira's picture

A truly perfect teacher, noble and pure but I am growing worried of the marketing machinery which is created around him which is not pure and noble at all (and I am NOT talking about the Oprah Winfrey stuff which I view has important and positive) - see for example in http://www.eckharttolle.com

Why does it have to always happen this way. One, especially a teacher, cannot exempt his responsibility by saying "I'm not involved in the administration that happens around me" nor by saying "spirituality and (aggressive) marketing do not contradict". Yes, spirituality is a special case, yes, spirituality is the domain of totality, yes, in spirituality every tiny aspect has an impact, yes, the vibe is effected by these dominant non-pure motives.

It happened the same with another great teacher - Osho. It is still the time to regain control over the process.


genep's picture

Clean Gurus

“A truly perfect teacher, noble and pure... ”

Self has absolutely no values or rules .. it can manifest itself as a Guru as ANYONE and anything, animal or object, art, even feces to Awaken the seeker.
This biggest BS in this guru business is that a guru has to be somehow “A truly perfect teacher, noble and pure...” AGAIN: Self has absolutely no values or rules so there is no reason a psychopath or pervert or assassin or even a sex-maniac cannot be a guru... or a dog or mountain, alias Arunachala...

.. look for goodness and purity in a guru
and all you will find is the money, evil and perversions
this goodness must hide.

.. ignore goodness and all sorts of Gurus can be found hidden behind all sorts of things, especially perversions and evil.

genep | Tue, 04/21/2009 - 21:12
Qumi's picture

creativity

There is one brother-hood, the human brother-hood
which unites the children of earth indiscriminately in
the brother-hood of God

Above all we are coming to understand that the arts incarnate the creativity of a free people. When the creative impulse cannot flourish when it cannot freely select its methods and objects when it is deprived of spontaneity then society severs the root of art

Qumi | Wed, 04/22/2009 - 07:10
avi's picture

opinions dressed as facts

(1) This is just based on a theory and it is important that you present it as such.

(2) While your thesis is interesting, what is it got to do with the specific opinion about Eckhart Tolle? Put this in the forums under gurus.

avi | Wed, 04/22/2009 - 07:34
Phroggy's picture

~

You mean what Genep said? No, not theory. It's called perfection.

Phroggy | Thu, 04/23/2009 - 03:38
Qumi's picture

creativity

Above all we are coming to understand that the arts incarnate the creativity of a free people. When the creative impulse cannot flourish when it cannot freely select its methods and objects when it is deprived of spontaneity then society severs the root of art

There is one brother-hood, the human brother-hood
which unites the children of earth indiscriminately in
the brother-hood of God

Qumi | Wed, 04/22/2009 - 07:11
Phroggy's picture

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Sure, but can you also say it in pig-Latin?

Phroggy | Thu, 04/23/2009 - 03:35
genep's picture

power of now

Tolle's book "The Power of Now": it is a lot of fragrant garbage that does little but cover the Now.

"The Power of Now" poetically chases the Now all over the place to entertain the masses,
with Oprah,
by exploiting the basics of spirituality, non-duality, Self, Now ... to make reality appear even more real than it could possibly be without the book.

Like Buddha and Osho.... Masts and probably lots of street-people,
Kundalini/Shakti took the mind of Tolle ... and in the process made reality unreal.

If Tolle has figured out over the years
why Kundalini, Now, Self,
makes reality unreal
then his book does everything to hide the answer.

genep | Thu, 04/23/2009 - 21:40
harish_hhh's picture

Eckhart is the best

Just he surrendered to what is.. That's it.
He is a great teacher always want to change the level of consciousness of this world.
If the people in the world don't change their level of consciousness the world will soon become hell.
He surrendered to the marketing around him because in that way only his teachings reaches most of the people than other ways. Isn't it.
Because of the market only he become popular so that he can address more people around the world.

One thing I want to say is he is enlightened. So it's the matter of relation between the teacher and student.. not the student and the marketing management.

Know about him whether he is enlightened or not. Don't believe me.. Know yourself.

harish_hhh | Sat, 10/09/2010 - 16:46
grebnar's picture

Marketing is the mouthpiece

The marketing is the delivery mechanism of the message. It is an ugly, but unavoidable truth of modern society that there is a machine by which an individual person may communicate with the masses. It is different (not better or worse, but simply different) than the old one-channel way - the publisher, the one-of-three-major-television-networks way, etc. We have to understand that the milieu where we find ourselves is always far from perfect. We have to deal with the situation in which we find ourselves (which is a big part of Eckhart's message in A New Earth-at least that which I have understood so far). We have to accept that environment in which we find ourselves at any given moment (with all its marketing types, Oprahs, etc.). If this is the megaphone through which the voice of Ultimate Truth must speak, then push the button and let's hear him or her. It's never going to be a misty mountain-top and all of us in tunics. What he has to say is important. The means available to him through which to say it are somewhat less than ideal; let's overlook that and judge what he says on its merits (which are substantial); Shira, your suspicions are both admirable and understandable. However, let us be careful to not mistake the method for the message.

grebnar | Sun, 11/28/2010 - 03:02