Ammachi, Anandi Ma, Shivabalayogi and other Gurus

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I don't want to label this a pro or a con - so I put it in the pro category.
These and other Gurus are said to be Self-Realized.
Meaning for me that they are (were) established in a constant, unchanging, effortless, state beyond states which can be called Sahaj Samadhi Self-Realization.
I am thinking of the Jnani Ramana Maharshi in particular when I offer this definition of Self-Realization.
Some may not agree with this rough definition, which is fine.
But for the sake of argument, if one accepts in broad strokes this definition, how is it that these Gurus are said to "enter into" and "out of" these bhava and other samadhi states?
In all three cases, and for several others that I can think of, it also seems to happen in the context of satsang, darshan, gatherings.
I'm thinking of Ramana again, and the notion of entering and exiting various states of samadhi; intentionally or spontaneously; for whatever purposes.
The Jnani is said to always and only be established in Self.
And it certainly seems that Ramana was like this.
So does it mean that these Gurus are (were) not fully Realized Jnanis?
Because if one can be said to enter a bhav samadhi, in order to bless devotees for example, than is there someone, however subtle, who still enters and exits this state?
It could be that these samadhi states are simply spontaneous and are always rooted in the Jnani state.
I only wonder because I do not find accounts like this among the non-dual/advaita Masters like Ramana, Nisargadatta, Papaji, Adyashanti, Mooji, and many others.
Is it somehow particular to bhakti/yogic Masters perhaps?
I don't pretend to know the answer.
I only wish to raise the question for people to consider and discuss.
According to Ramakrishna and others these states are lesser and transient states; if I am not mistaken.
So why were/are these Gurus entering these states if they are supposed to be beyond transient states and established fully as Self as Jnani?