Adi Narayan (Swami Sai Premananda)



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Fast Facts
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Other Names and Nicknames: 
Vinod Seepersad, Sri Swami Sai Premananda, Adi Narayanji, Adi Narayan Ji, Shri Adi Narayan Ji Maharaj
Function: 
Guru
Traditions: 
Advaita, Bhakti
Main Countries of Activity: 
Canada, USA, India
Date of Birth: 
04/08/1972
Place of Birth: 
Trinidad, West Indies
In His/Her Body ("alive"): 
Yes

Biography

*** The underlying guru has personally demanded the removal of the biography text posted here by users under a claim of copyright infringement.

Without inquiring whether this copyright claim is truly the case or not, we removed the text BUT we also find it our duty to inform the users about this incident so that each will make his/her own spiritual judgment about the underlying guru based on this conduct.

You are encouraged to share your view about it in pro/con opinions.

Recently, this guru has changed his name from "Swami Sai Premananda" to "Adi Narayan". Critics suggest that the name change is part of an attempt to create a new following and disassociate with the name "Swami Sai Premananda" and past scandals (such as those reviewed in CBC TV report, see Videos Tab). They say that this is the reason why he removed all of his websites and pictures from the internet 3 years ago and tried to force other websites to do so (see notice above).

Teachings

*** The underlying guru has personally demanded the removal of the techings text posted here by users under a claim of copyright infringement.

Without inquiring whether this copyright claim is truly the case or not, we removed the text BUT we also find it our duty to inform the users about this incident so that each will make his/her own spiritual judgment about the underlying guru based on this conduct.

You are encouraged to share your view about it in pro/con opinions.

Photos

Locations

Adi Narayanji's (Swami Sai Premananda) services of satsangs, meditation, Guru Gita and service projects are held in Toronto, Canada.

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Pro Opinions

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS SITE? IS IT TO SPREAD SPIRITUALITY OR IS IT TO AIR DIRTY LAUNDRY?

Jay's picture

I have the following comments:

1. How can people comment or slander this swami WITHOUT EVER HAVING MET HIM?

Devka's picture

Thank you

Jay, thank you for a meaningful and thoughtful article.

Devka | Mon, 03/07/2011 - 02:55

The Real Guru

sarikabakshi's picture

From my readings/research of an ancient text about the true Spiritual Master, a true Guru is one who is free from egoism, anger, lust, greed, pride, etc.

Hari Hara's picture

How much Research...to Comment????

Remind You the FIRST VEDIC PRAYERS :
Matru Devo Bava,
Pitru Devo Bava,
Aacharya Devo Bava,
Athithi Devo Bava,

He may not ask but TAKES AWAY............ Love is beyond anyones imagination or understanding .......... FALL NOT hard to realize...............

Hari Hara | Sat, 10/24/2009 - 16:28
happy's picture

I didn't understand what you want to convey

I don't see any research, just her convincing opinion. On the other hand, I couldn't understand your argument.

happy | Sat, 10/24/2009 - 17:12
Dev d's picture

Dharma

Sarika you are a teacher, if you can't judge a person how can you teach young kids. When swami ran after your own mother the one who gave you love and affection, instead of defending her you and your brother charged her. If you can't love your own mother how can you claim to be a spiritual person.

Dev d | Tue, 08/03/2010 - 03:19
rationalmind's picture

A Message from a REAL Member of the Group

I’ve been a member of Swamiji’s group from the beginning, up until now. There never has been anyone from Iceland/Popat Nagar as this person is claiming to be. It’s obviously another fake profile.

This whole campaign of online lies and defamation against Swamiji, has been spear-headed by one woman only. She’s been creating various fake profiles in Gurusfeet and other Internet websites - all to defame Swamiji. She herself is putting in false copyright claims online using the Swamiji’s name. She’s one of those people who has become unhealthily attached to destroying a Spiritual Master’s good name. Unfortunately, this happens in spiritual circles. The truth is always twisted, while lies and untruths run rampant.

I refrain from saying this woman’s name publicly right now. We honestly want her to one day get the help she needs. We love her and wish her well always.

rationalmind | Fri, 11/12/2010 - 00:54

Traits of the real master

natashac's picture

From my personal research on this Master, he does not fall into the financial/merchandising traps that many other 'masters' fall into. I cannot find any store or any mention of paid programs.

Hari Hara's picture

Fools Run.......... the Wise Chase

Just ask HIM TO FACE THE PUBLIC or SOCIETY BOLDLY...........
Guru never runs in Hiding or Secluded services......

Realize it .. Better Late than NEVER....

LOVE is in Giving and Sharing not in TAKING or TALKING about it.........

Hari Hara | Sat, 10/24/2009 - 16:31
Dev d's picture

Dharma

Natasha you are a teacher and you claim that master does not fall into the financial/merchandising traps, than why did your family paid more than $20,000 to your beloved master. If his teachings are so beautiful and good than why is doing private satsangs.

Dev d | Tue, 08/03/2010 - 03:33
rationalmind's picture

A Message from a REAL Member of the Group

I’ve been a member of Swamiji’s group from the beginning, up until now. There never has been anyone from Iceland/Popat Nagar as this person is claiming to be. It’s obviously another fake profile.

This whole campaign of online lies and defamation against Swamiji, has been spear-headed by one woman only. She’s been creating various fake profiles in Gurusfeet and other Internet websites - all to defame Swamiji. She herself is putting in false copyright claims online using the Swamiji’s name. She’s one of those people who has become unhealthily attached to destroying a Spiritual Master’s good name. Unfortunately, this happens in spiritual circles. The truth is always twisted, while lies and untruths run rampant.

I refrain from saying this woman’s name publicly right now. We honestly want her to one day get the help she needs. We love her and wish her well always.

rationalmind | Fri, 11/12/2010 - 00:55
disciple's picture

Disturbing indeed...

If your guru is such an admirable soul, why is he hiding? Why can't he come forward with his side of the story? What about the other commenters who defended him a year ago on this web site? Why are they silent all of a sudden?

disciple | Wed, 11/24/2010 - 11:17

Why Isn't Gurusfeet Following the Laws of the Land?

rationalmind's picture

It seems like the Guru is trying to bring truthfulness, in his small way, to the Internet. If we are not truthful in all places, then truth will be degraded.

anderlaus's picture

It is the swami that doesn't follow the laws of spirituality

It seems that they do follow the laws of the land, it is this swami that doesn't follow the laws of spirituality.

If what gurusfeet published above is true (and I have no reason to doubt it because they have an excellent reputation) then it is extremely important that they disclosed it. I see it as a great service to us.

Be honest with yourself and make sure to tell the difference between facts and speculations.

anderlaus | Thu, 11/26/2009 - 08:59
Raman's picture

What law of spirituality are you speaking of?

It would be interesting to hear from you something that actually has meaning rather than just your fluffy answer.

One should seek to question rather than follow blindly, or at least comment with such intelligence that one can take your comment as seemingly emanating from a person with a modicum of intelligence.

Why not give i it a second try?

Raman | Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:17
happy's picture

I agree

I got the same impression. I don't think I ever heard about this swami (when I googled his name I saw that he is jailed for life, no wonder he tries so desperately to hide his biography and no wonder he is doing it in a manipulative way), there are so many who claim to be swamis, gurus, masters, teachers and so on, anyone can declare himself as such and have some other questionable guru to crown him and there you go, there will always be enough blindfolded people to follow regardless of conduct. So I wouldn't give much attention to this.

happy | Fri, 11/27/2009 - 13:22
Raman's picture

Talking Without Presence of Being

Dear Mr. Happy,

I am bewildered and amazed that you can put forth such a statement and judgement of another that is so wholly misinformed.

You have chosen to take the time to read, assess and cast statements that are derogatory and utterly misleading about Swami Sai Premananda.

The Swami you searched and claimed to be the same as the above is in fact not him. Swami Premananda, whom you are claiming to be Swami Sai Premananda, is a different person altogether. Swami Premananda of Trichy, who is in jail, is not the above Swami.

So, now what do you have to say to all your above hypothesizing as it was based on complete false information? I am going to try to get in contact with this Swami's organization as I now feel this is a case of defamation of character put forth by you and Gurusfeet against this Master.

Look how you have allowed yourself to fall into such a false belief based on utter untruth. Where else in your life have you made untruth the foundation for your beliefs?

Raman | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 00:40
happy's picture

Aren't you avoiding the facts to preserve your trust?

I understand from what you wrote that you want very much to defend your guru and this is ok but in the same time for your own benefit you must keep your eyes constantly open and stick to the issue and to facts rather than desperately use manipulations and demagogic hallow statements just in order to try to win an argument and in this way unconsciously cast the doubt that is probably within you about him otherwise you wouldn't bother.

I know it is extremely hard that the facts explode in your face, we all had such experiences of disappointment with past teachers and gurus and it takes time and enough more facts for the alarm to ring. It is part of the spiritual path and if handled sincerely it can yield an enormous benefit to the sadhka.

Whether he is the one who is in jail or not is not the main point (I read about a guru with the same name who has committed terrible acts and is in jail, maybe it is not him, I do not know, maybe this name is very popular among those who wish to be gurus :-).

The main issue is straightforward and simple:

anyone trying to gain control,

anyone trying to gain control over what is written about himself,

anyone trying to gain control over what is written about himself using manipulations (e.g. "copyright on bio"),

anyone who hasn't yet managed to deal with his mind's urge to control has a long way to go on the spiritual path, let alone be a guru.

happy | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 08:55

A Message from a REAL Member of the Group

rationalmind's picture

I’ve been a member of Swamiji’s group from the beginning, up until now.

mariposa's picture

I don't buy that

As I wrote you in other place here where you put the same comment: I don't buy your story. There are too many places with accounts about this guru person, this woman cannot control the world, gurusfeet and google.

mariposa | Sat, 11/13/2010 - 08:17
Rahul-Sethi's picture

The Truth

To all those who read this page, know that the accusations made against Swami Sai Premananda are false. Swami Sai Premanada is 100% innocent and has been unjustly persecuted and blamed by my family for my actions. This entire situation is my fault - my mother is deeply angry at me for marrying the person I love and making my own life decisions, which went against her wishes. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying.

The truth? For a little over two years, my mother and brother have spread lies to the community about Swami Sai Premananda and the meditation group in which my wife, Neena, and I met. Swami Sai Premananda was never a part of this story. My family have harassed, stalked and threatened him and torn his life to pieces by spreading gossip and lies. My mother’s attachment and desire to control my life are the reasons behind this attack on Swami Sai Premananda, and this situation is continuing to perpetuate due to my inability to resolve the conflict with my family.

Swami Sai Premananda has nothing do with the conflict between my family, and myself. I do not have any contact with Swami Sai Premananda for the simple reason that my family and I have brought so much suffering into his life.

During the time that I was with Swamiji, he brought nothing but peace and light into my life. I wish him the best always, and these attacks against him need to stop. I am writing this response because Swamiji has been suffering the consequences of my family’s actions due to their conflict with me. This has gone on for too long.

In my blog, I have posted the events that led to the unwarranted attacks against Swami Sai Premananda, in their entirety, and I encourage anyone who comes to this page to read the truth of the matter.

Rahul-Sethi | Sun, 02/13/2011 - 03:18

The Truth is...

Rahul-Sethi's picture

To all those who read this page, know that the accusations made against Swami Sai Premananda are false.

lalalala.'s picture

Come on guys seriously, does

Come on guys seriously, does this really need to be advertised all over the net. You guys are all rubbing everyones names into the dirt. I suggest everyone solves the problem like adults. Your family obviously loves you Rahul, otherwise who in their right mind would go through all this trouble. Family, you need to give him some space all this negativity no wonder he's having a hard time. I suggest that everyone stop broadcasting their life and family stories on this crazy blog and resolve their problems the old fashion way, communication. The internet ruins lives. I wish we still had typewriters!

lalalala. | Mon, 03/21/2011 - 14:13

An inspiring experience

Peter's picture

I have attended meditation with Swami Sai Premananda for more than 5 years and both my daughters were inspired by his wisdom and ability to assist in the progress of their meditation.

nancy pro's picture

Now a campaign?

What a coincidence. Suddenly when there is this ugly debate here regarding this guru - opinions happen to sprout by coincidence...

We had enough of both these sides. Please leave us alone with your campaigns and contra campaigns.

nancy pro | Tue, 02/15/2011 - 19:56

Con Opinions

We need to Judge by the ACTIONS not Actings!!!

nagarjuna's picture

Actor and Disgrace for the Spiritual Society, However such people are required for the GOOD/ TRUTH / DHARMA to be recognized and Valued.

Thankful and Sorry for his Robotic Followers.

mbnarayana's picture

Dear brothers! Much

Dear brothers! Much filth has already been thrown on sri sathya saibaba.There was no service organization by his name till recently in his birth place ie.,puttaparthy.Local people started treating him god once their buiness grew and their land value became high.But baba gave drinking water to so many villages in andhrapradesh.The villagers who drink water supplied by satyasai seva trust adore him as living god
Like wise this swamiji might have been misunderstood by many.
Ravana glorified rama.Likewise vice glorifies virtue.Time the subtle thief will decide who is fake and who is genuine
OM SHANTHI

mbnarayana | Sat, 07/25/2009 - 06:34
kamala's picture

Never Compare

Comparision is done to Prove Something. One tries to prove Only if he / she feels insecured or hurt.

kamala | Sun, 07/26/2009 - 17:25
lalo's picture

The "how" is more indicative than the "what"

Not actions and not acting and not words and not saying. All these can be easily imitated by anyone. A mediocere actor, one who is in the spiritual scene enough time can masquerade as a true guru according to these parameters.

The only aspect that can tell something about someone is his conduct. The "how", not the "what". Observe how he is delivering the actions, not what are the actions. Observe how still he is in saying the things, not what he says.

lalo | Sat, 07/25/2009 - 09:32
mbnarayana's picture

How can you label a guru

How can you label a guru fraud until and unless you experience his presence?.What purpose does the guru has behind masquerading?What are the parameters for good conduct of guru ? Some gurus may have a past life before entering into spirituality.Let us think about the present guru.
According to Ramayana,every human being is efficient(ayogyo purusho nasthi).If we are really in spiritual path,we concentrate on our guru and our practice.nothing else.Practise and practise until we achieve our goal.
OM SHANTHI

mbnarayana | Sun, 07/26/2009 - 04:15
Hari Hara's picture

Fools Run.......... the Wise Chase

Talking is Easier ..... Delivering the Actions by Creating Illness towards PARENTS..is it what you Honor..... Its a Disgrace to honor n Respect the Unruly faiths who forget the First Prayers - Matru Devo Bava, Pitru Deva Bava, then only comes Aacharya Devo Bava...........Athithi Devo Bava..........

Scoundrels are always AFRAID to face the WORLD Boldly.... If you feel you are following a Guru- Ask HIM to face the Society BOLDY and PUBLICLY... not hiding at Sisters Place, Hotels and Running away changing places... Fools Run, Wise Chase.....

Hari Hara | Sat, 10/24/2009 - 16:22

Fools Run ..........the Wise Chase.....

Hari Hara's picture

Conducting Activities in a Closed and in Limitations is not the Sign of True Spiritualist...... Facing and Serving the Society PUBLICLY is the Primary Characteristic for a so-called Guru....

virtues

NIDHI PARKASH's picture

All the good deeds are done for the cleansing of the chitta which leads to advance the path to the unfold of the self.

A great dissapointment

Annie's picture

I was shocked to read the message here about swamiji's effort to remove bio by excuses of copyright on bio text and picture. What a disappointment!

Disturbing

robert's picture

His copyright-demand trick here seems like the tip of the ice. I see he is doing the very same thing obsessively everywhere. Severe obsession disorder?

zoya's picture

Also in wikipedia

It looks like they tried to control what is said about him and so wikipedia editors decided to delete his page, the discussion is in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Swami_Sai_P..., The deleted page stub is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Sai_Premananda.

zoya | Wed, 12/02/2009 - 21:49
kamil's picture

See also in gaia community

Also in gaia.com community in which I'm also active, all videos were suddenly removed one day. You can see in http://groups.gaia.com/gaia_support/conversations/view/189616 their request from gaia to remove the videos, this time under a pretense that they suddenly became of poor quality. They say that this until they will have better versions - well this was in 2007 and noe we are almost in 2010.

Examples of videos which were removed:

http://videos.gaia.com/233327/swami_sai_premananda_-_om_shivaya

http://videos.gaia.com/233333/swami_sai_premananda_-_blessings_at_the_ch...

http://videos.gaia.com/521045/guru-purnima-2009-with-sri-swami-sai-prema...

kamil | Mon, 12/14/2009 - 08:06

A former member of his group

Shantiness's picture

The copyright demands do not stop at Google or Guru's Feet. he did the same thing to many blogs that questioned him and further with YouTube.

rationalmind's picture

A Message from a REAL Member of the Group

I’ve been a member of Swamiji’s group from the beginning, up until now. There never has been anyone from Iceland, as this person is claiming to be. It’s obviously another fake profile.

This whole campaign of online lies and defamation against Swamiji, has been spear-headed by one woman only. She’s been creating various fake profiles in Gurusfeet and other Internet websites - all to defame Swamiji. She’s one of those people who has become unhealthily attached to destroying a Spiritual Master’s good name. Unfortunately, this happens in spiritual circles. The truth is always twisted, while lies and untruths run rampant.

I refrain from saying this woman’s name publicly right now. We honestly want her to one day get the help she needs. We love her and wish her well always.

rationalmind | Fri, 11/12/2010 - 00:35
mariposa's picture

Open your eyes

I personally don't know this guru nor followers of him but I can clearly see the case from the clear facts:

How do you explain the official text in his guru profile and the case with Google?

This "woman" is also controlling gurusfeet? Did she became the owner of Google? She must be a very rich and extremely powerful woman this woman!

And what about all the accounts of previous followers and the reports from so many different sources? Does this woman possess ability to enter into people's minds and act through them?

There is too much evidence in this case from too many sources to avoid these trials to fool people with this story of a "woman". Come on, give some credit to intelligence, you can do better.

mariposa | Sat, 11/13/2010 - 08:10
rationalmind's picture

Is everything on the Internet true?

Mariposa,
Thank you for bringing to everyone’s attention that everything you see and read online should be believed and considered factual. Great insight!

rationalmind | Sat, 11/13/2010 - 15:16
mariposa's picture

There's no smoke without fire

There's no smoke without fire, especially when there is so much smoke.

Not everything you see and read online is true - everything you see and read about your swami (or maybe it is you?) appears to be true: you hear exactly the same story from different sources, from so many different sources, from so many independent sources, from so many establishments and not only individuals, courts, Google, My Space, Gurusfeet.

Please do not underestimate mine and other's intelligence. I have nothing to do with this swami of yours nor with those who are against him - I'm just a person with a common sense and I must say the case is very clear.

I hope that you and your swami will eventually see the light somehow and change your ways.

mariposa | Wed, 11/17/2010 - 18:03
Shantiness's picture

one who knows

My old friend rational mind,
I wish your were a little more rational than you have been behaving in the past years.

If i had not been a member of the group in the past, how would I know that Natasha and Sarika, who have both conveniently left comments in the "Pros" section on this swami's profile, are long standing members of the group? which begs to ask, why have their pictures been removed from their profiles? are they ashamed to be this swami's devorees?

Furthermore, I ask a few simple questions: why has your swami's website been removed from the internet? Why have all his pictures been removed from the internet under the claim of copyright? what interest does a realized swami have in claiming copyright over his photographs?

It is a relief to see that individuals like Mariposa are begining to see the reality of the illusion that is your guru.

Shantiness | Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:07

Swami Sai Premananda vs Shoka Asahara

Mariel's picture

Tokio, 20 March 1995... a group of devotees of Shoka Asahara fill the Tokio subway with sarin gas killing and hurting people. How did it come so far?

antonio.vincent's picture

Hi Mariel, Nice try at

Hi Mariel,

Nice try at writing a blog all by yourself. Maybe Rohit can hold your hand next time because you have obviously gone off the deep end.

A reminder to you - Sunita Sethi is the one with the restraining order slapped on her by the Toronto Police.
(because she assaulted her own daughter-in-law). Not to mention her numerous other violations of the law which the police has a running report on. All various forms of harassment/trespassing against group members. The Toronto Police has said this woman is creating dissension among a spiritual group to get at her son. They see it all the time.

Doesn't seem like you're really working towards a peaceful resolution as your first post today claimed. Looks like false remorse is indeed what you displayed. You continue with this blame game against the swami bringing him into your family drama because you cannot take ownership of what you have done to your life and son.

By the way, Rahul Sethi has said he left sai premananda's group a long time ago. So what is your issue now? Your continuous blogging against sai premananda is proof of your mental instability.

antonio.vincent | Mon, 02/14/2011 - 22:42
Shantiness's picture

Only time will tell who needs help and who does not.

Here is a question; antonio.vincent, if Rahul left this group a long time ago, why then does he re-appear all of a sudden for the specific purpose of defending Swami Sai Premananda a.k.a Vinod Seeparsad on this website? Why is he posting a story that has nothing to do with the issues at play? One of which are, what kind of swami takes money from people to buy himself a brand new condo in downtown Mississauga?

Another issue is why Sarika on this website states that swami sai premananda takes no money for his services, but Krisna blatantly states that he does… What is the truth? What is the reason for the smoke and mirrors?

Why are the members of this group so determined to insult everyone questioning this Swami?

Shantiness | Tue, 02/15/2011 - 18:40
solo's picture

This is too much

Up to now, I was reading the two sides and absolutely favoring your version but this post is of bad taste and underestimation of readers' intelligence. It seems that you have a vendetta against this swami that takes you out of objective critisim.

This does not mean that this swami is an inoscent saint. It is clear that he is involved in moral or at least ego misdoings that question his ability to be a guru or a spiritual authority, but your instrumental explotation of this platform for your personal war against him is too much.

For your own benefit, calm down, be present and aware. Don't react to violence with violence, this will only inflict on you more suffering, believe me.

solo | Tue, 02/15/2011 - 09:26
Shogon's picture

Whats Going On!

Correct me if I'm wrong I thought this was a Spiritual web site, where we we all wanted to better ourselves with the help of other like minded people?
If i wanted to hear arguments and crap I'd be with politicians,if i wanted violence of word, thought or deed I'd be in a war somewhere. can you keep the person stuff where its personal between your family.
Thank you.

OM SHANTI, SHANTI, SHANTI, SHANTI, SHANTI,

Shogon | Wed, 02/23/2011 - 05:50

In this story people only lose

Mariel's picture

Mother love and the right to make your own decisions.... It is something that should work together.

antonio.vincent's picture

Mariel, nice try but your

Mariel, nice try but your post is not genuine at all.

This is a classic case of false remorse being displayed by Sunita Sethi. Now that Rahul has revealed the truth about his mother Sunita and brother Rohit, the next attempt made by a mentally imbalanced person is to project their guilt on others and show a sense of false remorse.

Rahul's email and number are available on this site (and his family always had that contact information before anyway). Why write all this online when you can contact Rahul directly? Why put this comment in a "con" section when you are portraying yourself to be a neutral figure hoping for the resolution of both sides? The fact that you continue to take shots at sai premananda also displays your range of emotional turbulence (a characteristic of false remorse).

In all the negative posts on this site, what's with the constant questioning of "where is swami sai premananda? where is he hiding?" What's with this obsession about Sai Premananda? I mean this is just obsessive madness? Does everyone not see the obsessive behaviour of this woman and her son Rohit? J. Krishnamurti did not speak publicly for almost four years. Osho was in silence from 1981 to 1984. If a master is in silence, why do the dogs that are barking
assume this is some sort of confession of guilt? Right now, it’s apparent that the universe wants the dogs to bark and maliciously defame and take advantage of a swami in silence. The Sethis have been handing out their own dictums of right and wrong and ignorantly take another's silence to be a confession of some sort. What mentally deranged narcissists!

The whole community knows about Sunita, the police knows about Sunita and even the business people around her own store know about her madness the day the police came to warn her for trespassing. Rohit and Sunita continue to try and bring sai premananda into their family drama and bypass the fact that they hate Rahul's selection for a wife. Here's a fact (and you can read Rahul's blog for more - http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/whole-truth) .... Sunita was attending sai premananda's festivals/satsangs for years. She had no issue with the swami or his teachings at all. However, one fine day when Rahul told his mom he wanted to marry Neena (a satsang member), then she turned nasty on Rahul and tried to change his mind. When she failed at that, she began to attack the swami, his group members, families and anyone and everyone who would listen to her barking. All just to get at her son Rahul and break-up his relation with Neena. Doesn't sound like a loving mother to me now does it? The brother Rohit meanwhile, watched the drama go on and on and not do anything about it - even for the sake of his own brother's happiness - he did nothing to keep the peace! He himself (being a lawyer nonetheless) has lied to the police, friends, family, the media, the community and to himself. He knows he is doing wrong things, but because he's a mamma's boy, he has no choice but to do what mommy says. Evolution will take a million years before that boy grows a pair.

Mariel if your family really is as loving as you claim they are, why do they not get Sunita and Rohit the mental help that they need? Do their harassments, bullying, police warnings/violations and Sunita's restraining order mean absolutely nothing to you? If it does not, then you've cemented yourself as a person with no bone of humanness in you. Again, sai premananda has nothing to do with your family problem or in its solution. The fact that you continue to take shots at him, and repeatedly drag his name into the picture, shows that you really are not the loving and forgiving person that you are trying to project online. You don't want to face the psychotic moral degeneracy you've developed and just continue to divert the heart of the matter and play the blame game.

Sunita hates Rahul's choice in a wife - she even gave her a concussion! There are millions of mother-in-laws who suck it up and accept their son's choice in marriage. Sunita is not one of them. Sorry, Mariel but Sunita does not have this motherly love that you are writing about. Its more of an obsessive lust to that tries to control her sons and their decisions in life. Her mental disposition doesn't allow her to see this but maybe her "oh so loving" family members should do something about it if they really care.

antonio.vincent | Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:56

Brainwashing by Swami Sai Premananda

Mariel's picture

"Mind control (also known as brainwashing, coercive persuasion, mind abuse, thought control, or thought reform) refers to a process in which a group or individual "systematically uses unethically mani

antonio.vincent's picture

Mariel, You took my advice

Mariel,

You took my advice and got someone else to write posts on your behalf. Thank God. It was becoming an eye-sore to try and read your nonsense.

Now continue to take my advice ... open the yellow pages, find a psychiatrist and get some treatment for Sunita. This is only for her own good.

Spending your days and nights on a blog continuing to blame and defame a swami will not help Sunita's mental instability, her hate for her daughter-in-law, her attempts to control her son, and all the police records/reports her and Rohit have accumulated between them.

Your continuation on this site displays Sunita's vengeance and how her and Rohit really do not care to make amends with Rahul and Neena. They put on a fake face and tell a different story to the media and community, but their actions on this site reveal they are not really loving people. Just your old-fashioned, classical - "guru haters".

Yes indeed, Sunita and Rohit are experts in brain-washing (hence this post on the same subject). If you come across their company, or you have come across it in the past, then after reading Rahul's blog (http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/whole-truth), you should congratulate yourself because you now definitely know that you've been played by the Sethis!

Sunita and Rohit will use you only for their own narcissitic, self-serving purposes. Once they have no use for you, they will throw you under the bus. If you have families, little children, or care about the safety of anyone close to you - you are wise to think-twice about the company of Sunita and Rohit. They are a train-wreck and its your bad luck if you get taken for a ride by them. Everyone knows that Sunita even enlisted her own nephew Kunal Sethi to go and trespass and try to anonymously leave sai premananda an envelope she tried to curse with black magic. She would rather have her nephew go and do her bidding, and have him risk being caught by the police, risk losing his immigration visa - all because she's up to her neck in her own police violations. Doesn't really sound like a loving aunt to me. More like an aunt whose black magic doesn't work, but her brain-washing does.

antonio.vincent | Tue, 02/15/2011 - 19:57
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The Lies and Fabrications of Mariel/Shantiness

This is Rahul Sethi's comments to clarify the fabrications made by Shantiness, and Mariel. (accounts used by his brother and mother).

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THE WHOLE TRUTH

For a little over two years, my mother and brother have spread lies to the community about Swami Sai Premananda and the meditation group in which my wife, Neena and I met.

Three years ago, I decided I wanted to marry my best friend, a woman named Neena. I had known Neena for three years and we fell in love, and wanted to get married.

A week or two before I asked Neena to marry me, I wanted to share the happy news with my mother: that I had found the woman I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. At the breakfast table one day, in early October 2008, I told my mother of my love for Neena and my desire to marry her. My mother trembled as she heard me say this and yelled her disapproval, “No, Rahul! No! No! You’re going to ruin your life!”

I left my parents house in the end of March 2009, after my mother sat Neena and I in her home and viciously expressed her disapproval of Neena. My mother was irrational in her reasons, saying that Neena was ruining my life.

Between April and May of 2009, my mother increasingly pressured me to change my mind about living on my own and marrying Neena. She threatened me, stalked me, followed and disrupted my home and work life with unwelcome and dramatic visits, vowing that she would “open my eyes” to my mistakes.

One of my uncles, whom my parents really respect, clearly expressed to my mother that I was free to choose my wife and that she did not have the right to control my decisions and that their control would push me away. After this discussion with him, my mother and father agreed to the wedding and to provide their support.

This breakthrough did not last long, as within 48 hours, their minds shifted again, this time opposing to the date of the wedding. During a period of roughly two to three weeks the wedding date continually changed, and my mother would still not hold back her comments filled with contempt for Neena, her parents, me, and for the choices I made in my life.

In July 2009, Neena and I decide to marry in a private ceremony and begin our lives together. In the month previous to this, my mother’s rage grew more extreme. My mother, contrived a story, that I was being brainwashed by someone. At first, she blamed Neena and her parents. Soon my mother’s blame became incorrectly focused on Swami Sai Premananda. She blamed him for me leaving her home and wanting to get married to someone she did not approve of. Her blame continues to be focused on him, unjustly.

On one occasion, my mother stood outside our place of worship and shrieked that we were a “cult”. She blocked the car of one family who were trying to leave and she said her lies through their window. Her actions continued to become more extreme.

After finding out about our marriage, my mother began calling our family and close friends telling them that her son needed to be saved, as he had been brainwashed into getting married. Many of our peers bought into what my mother had to say and they stopped talking to us, not wanting to hear our side, as they were horrified and disgusted by her actions. She went and talked to heads of churches and temples, and to South Asian newspapers, spreading lies about Swami Sai Premananda.

As Neena and I had married, we decided to go and speak to my parents, to ask my mother to stop spreading rumors, lies and viciously attacking Swami Sai Premananda. A heated argument ensued that evening, and ultimately led to my mother assaulting Neena giving her a concussion. My mother was formally charged and was forbidden to come near us as a condition of bail.

Even with this incident, my mother still continued her harassment of Swami Sai Premananda. She was determined to publicly humiliate him and show him to be a cult leader through various media outlets.

My mother is deeply hurt by my rejection of her wishes and her vision for my life. I feel that her mental state is unbalanced and unstable. I feel she needs help.

To all those who read this post, know that Swami Sai Premanada is 100% innocent and has been unjustly persecuted and blamed by my family for my actions. This entire situation is my fault- my mother is deeply angry at me for marrying the person I love and making my own life decisions, which went against her wishes. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying. I regret that the events of my life, my choices and my family’s actions have affected Swami Sai Premananda the way they have.

During the time that I was with Swami Sai Premananda, he brought nothing but peace and light into my life. I wish him the best always, and these attacks against him need to stop. The truth needs to be told and heard.

My phone number is 416.993.6251 and my email address is rahulasethi@gmail.com.

Rahul Sethi.

antonio.vincent | Sun, 03/06/2011 - 17:54

Believe Swami Sai Premananda ... or be mentaly instable!

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The argument by the Swami Sai Premanada crew is getting old; everybody that questions their reliability is mentaly instable.