WHO OR WHAT WITNESSES THE DREAM?

santthosh kumaar's picture



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HOW ONE IS ABLE TO SEE VARIOUS OBJECTS, PEOPLE, ANIMAL,CREATURES AND SCENES DURING THE DREAM AND WAKING EXPERIENCE, WHEN THE WORLD AND PERCEIVER ARE WITHIN THE DREAM OR WAKING EXPERIENCE?

IF THE DREAM WORLD WAS WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCER ,IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPERIENCE IT.THEN WHAT IS IT THAT EXPERIENCES THE DREAM IF THE EXPERINCER OF THE DREAM IS NOT THE PERSON?

THE ONE THAT EXPERIENCES THE DREAM EXPERIENCES THE WAKING EXPERIENCE ALSO. THEREFORE IT IS NECESSARY TO INQUIRE ANALYZE AND REASON INTO THE NATURE OF THE THREE STATES TO UNFOLD THE TRUTH?
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN MODERN TRUTH SEEKING OR FORMLESS SPIRITUALITY.



Phroggy's picture

Self inquiry on crack?

Hi Santthosh

I notice nobody has replied and yet what I think you're saying is very interesting. In the case of the nightly dream, the perceiver cannot be the dream character. The entire dream is the object of peception, and so where is the subject; the actual perceiver of the dreamscape? We know that the perceiver of our nightly dreams is not within the dream itself, but rather the dream is within the perceiver, the mind that is creating the dream.

Assuming we know that life is a dream of Consciousness, we also know that all of our experience, including mind itself, is the object of our perception, and the percieving subject must be 'outside' the dream, standing apart from it in order to be able to perceive it. That could dispense with the whole self inquiry process in one swell foop.

Phroggy | Mon, 07/14/2008 - 20:33
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

The Ghost Is the Preceiver!

Because the "body" is the "inquiring student" from which the mind obtains its comprehension of existence, we have dreams. Each entity [the "I", life-force mind combination or ghost] has a predetermined destiny. Night dreams [or daydreams in night dream form] are messages to the inquiring physical consciousness seeking to recognize its purpose for the ghost's particular manifestation. In that light, it is the ghost which is the observer of the dreams given from an integrated "life-force/mind/body combination" which have pass in the same timeline the dream receiver is in. [Read THE BOOK OF NATURE in my blog's revelation for what a timeline is.] The dream is the answer to an inquiry, often times are only manifested as a thought in the mind of the inquirer, to remind them that they do have a purpose and show them some part of that purpose in symbol which many times the mind doesn't comprehend until the dream actually manifests.

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Elijah "NatureBoy"
If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission. Now, reason the differences in our concepts and reason that until you have reasoned all pros and cons concerning your new revelation.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 07/17/2008 - 22:25
Phroggy's picture

No predestiny or purpose

It's not that destiny is predetermined as such, because there is nothing that decides what is to happen. It all unfold spontaneously from the present moment, and so while there is no volitional being within the dream of life that is directing it's course, there is also nothing 'outside' the dream doing this. Nobody is running the show, so in that sense it will happen as it happens, but nothing has determined anything ahead of time.

As such, there is no purpose for life but what you determine it to be. Purpose is a mind thing, based on the delusion of lack and the desire to fill it. Life is a movement, and it spontaneously moves toward it's own self realization, but it's not trying to get anywhere or accomplish anything.

Mind's function is to create experience, and when you block out the senses in sleep, the mind recreates a dreamscape from it's own memory so that it can continue to do what it loves. Much of this dreamscape material may come from the unconscious and from powerful feelings, but nothing is sending any messages to anyone about anything.

Phil

Phroggy | Sat, 07/26/2008 - 20:30
Coyote's picture

> there is also nothing

> there is also nothing 'outside' the dream doing this.

If nothing causes anything to happen, then nothing would happen, right? Why are we communicating? How?

Coyote | Thu, 08/14/2008 - 15:07