what is intelligence ?

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there has been lot of discussion about body, sensations, i am, raman maharshi, nisargdutta etc.

what is there in it for me. not an experience, or something got from drugs sex exalted spitual etc.

how do i eleminate that which is false or untrue.

what is intelligence ?

could we discuss it with open mind.



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You cannot and this is real intelligence

How do i eleminate that which is false or untrue?

You cannot really do this because you can never truly know what is true and what is false - everything is speculation, is dependent - what you perceive is dependent on your senses and what you conceive is dependent on your mind's logic.

There will come people who will say that it is possible - what they actually mean is that what they say is true, they want you to be under their control - religious figures, manipulative teachers, dishonest gurus.

What is intelligence?

Intelligence is the ability to constantly remember that anything is a speculation, that this is our destiny, by fact. It is the ability to inspect Advaita, Neo Advaita, Buddhism, Zen, Judaism, and any other religious or spiritual philosophy but at the end of the day to understand that you will never be able to conclude whether it is true or not because you are intermediated by the body (mind and senses).

sonti | Wed, 02/03/2010 - 07:38
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what is intelligence ?

Thats really interesting. For one we dont have any such doubt when we deal with "worldly" matters. Infact we are dead sure or at least attempt to get clarity on the grey areas. Science has all those proofs etc.

Swami Vivekananda a famous Hindu monk said that we move from lesser to higher truth.

The role of insight in discovering new territory has been well documented.

While we may not be able to know the truth we can certainly know what is false.Isnt knowing false intelligence.

joejo | Wed, 02/03/2010 - 13:36
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True/False

Seeking truth is like this:

Imagine you want to fly. You have an instance where you truly believe you can fly. As you sit in contemplation on this, you seek to lift off the ground and begin flying. You truly believe you can fly. There is nothing to it. So you sit with this conviction that you just need to start flying. In the end, all your efforts are frustrated. You stand up feeling weighted to the ground more than you did before. You are now more aware of this heaviness than you are the ability to fly.

The more conviction we have of seeking truth will we begin to see and feel what is false and illusory. We anchor ourselves more into the depths of falseness, where in the end, all we will see are illusion and lies.

When this is frustrated, we may then realize the error and not try to differentiate anything as false or true. Where the intelligence in that is, I'm not sure.

B-friend | Wed, 02/03/2010 - 15:34
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True/False

What is intelligence ?

Isn't understanding the difference between true and false Intelligence.
If that be so then the question really amounts to the discovery of FALSE or TRUTH.

Any such discovery would be a matter of Perception or Realisation. Effort as mentioned in the example quoted above (attempt to fly) brings about a realisation of ones inability to fly physically though even this could be disputed by some as a final or absolute statement for we have heard of levitation.

Yet in our very attempt we discover the Truth or Falseness of our assumptions or methods. So in some sense the discrimination of Right or wrong is a continuous process, provided on is awake.

joejo | Thu, 02/04/2010 - 04:49
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In agreement

>>"Any such discovery would be a matter of Perception or Realisation."

Is what is true for one true for all? Is what is false for one false for all?

>>"We have to be very careful when dealing with such a trend of thought. The Vigyanvadins (Idealist) who held that everything is Mind had to face lot of criticism."

For those exploring their own truths, such thought has no meaning anyway. But if one were to observe for themselves that the subject determines the object(mind determining what is true/false-real/unreal), then this is the logical conclusion. This is where Ramana's elucidations are of use. Where even seeing illusion is illusion(if that makes sense).

>>"Effort as mentioned in the example quoted above (attempt to fly) brings about a realisation of ones inability to fly physically though even this could be disputed by some as a final or absolute statement for we have heard of levitation."

The example helps to show the folly of mind as well.

B-friend | Thu, 02/04/2010 - 17:53
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Is Everything Maya (Subjective/unreal)

We have to be very careful when dealing with such a trend of thought. The Vigyanvadins (Idealist) who held that everything is Mind had to face lot of criticism. Even Shankaras doctrine of Mayavad maintains that Brahmn is the only reality and world unreal. This has been rejected by many in the past and in modern times no greater a sage than Maharshi Ramana himself.

There is no denying that we live in a subjective world of our own thoughts beliefs and ideas. Yet that which can save us from total chaos and uncertainty is intelligence.

May I suggest that seeing the False in False
seeing the Truth in False
& seeing the True as True may be Intelligence ,as said by J Krishnmurthy.

joejo | Thu, 02/04/2010 - 06:08
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Subjective & Objective Truth

Is there something that is true for all? Well all sages and sciptures proclaim that there indeed is such a thing that is true for all and they call it by different name. God, Brahmn or absolute.

This realisation probably is vouchsafed to only a few. Where does this leave us. Is there something in us that can lead us from darkness to light. The question then is to find out if there is some faculty that can help us discriminate the true from the false. If everything is illusion then there is no hope.

In the eastern tradition two allegories represent our fate. One is our being in a Prison and the other is that we are all asleep.

The more a person is awake more are the chances that intelligence will work in him.

So the question is What is intelligence ? or how could we be awake?

joejo | Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:14
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????

Good questions then

B-friend | Fri, 02/05/2010 - 04:12
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Intelligence is not Personal

One of the means of arriving at an answer is through negation. We consider a fact which may be related to Intelligence and if its not then deny is.

We can take one of the popular belief that intelligence is personal. Now from our point of view Intelligence can never be personal. Is an objective fact personal, it is there for all to see. In our subjective or dream state we are privy to things which are unknown to others but when it comes to a fact we all can perceive it. It fact its perception in the psychological realm depends on how much we can keep our prejudices out the observation.

So I would say that Intelligence is not personal or operates when we rise above the personal.

joejo | Fri, 02/12/2010 - 03:29
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Intelligence is not a product of Thought

Now human beings have this special facility with thought. It is thought that is responsible for all the technological advancements. So it would be natural to think that intelligence could be cultivated like we learn science or any other discipline.

i pointed out in my previous post that intelligence is not personal. i wish to propose now that intelligence is not a product of thought and cannot be cultivated by any method.

joejo | Mon, 02/15/2010 - 04:42
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There can be no Intelligence without Order

We have heard of rhythm & harmony. It plays a significant role in music. Pythagoras introduced this idea in known historical literature.

In spiritual life order and intelligence are inseparable. This order in life cannot be established by living according to a concept or by conforming to a pattern. This is for the simple reason that life is too dynamic and to respond to all the challenges thrown at you by life requires a mind that is not burdened by dos and don't s. This order comes by understanding of what is in our daily struggles and sorrow (psyche). It is this total insight into the working of thought in our psyche that brings about the possibility of order.

There can be no Intelligence without Order

joejo | Tue, 02/16/2010 - 06:21
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Correct Perception is Intelligence

Correct Perception is necessary if we are to act sanely and may be one of the true characteristics of Intelligence. When we view the railway line from far they seem to merge yet our intelligence informs us that the cause of such an error is due to the limitation of the eye.

Hence we must use our intelligence to observe common errors and correct our course.

joejo | Sun, 02/28/2010 - 08:35
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"Intelligence" is the power of "Mind"

"Intelligence" is the power of "Mind",
"Will" is the power of "Soul",
"Ego" is the power of "Body",

When "Mind" use the power of "Intelligence", To increase the "Will" power is known as "Spirituality",

When "Mind" use the power of "Intelligence", To increase the "Ego" power is known as "Non-spirituality",

"Mind" is a big fool,

"Mind" does't know where to use the power of "Intelligence",

"Mind" always use the power of "Intelligence" to support the "Ego",

"Mind" never use the power of "Intelligence" to support the "Will",

The State in which the "Mind" always use the Power of "Intelligence" in Favour of "Will" is known as "Self-Relization".

jasdir singh jaura | Wed, 09/01/2010 - 08:46