What is the final answer?

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The final answer is this: Nothing is. All is a momentary appearance in the field of the universal consciousness; continuity as name and form is a mental formation only, easy to dispel.

Nisargadatta



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even this is not the final answer

Even this is not the final answer as the final, the ultimate is even beyond words and so an answer given in words cannot be the final.

I would say that first before searching for a final answer, we should inspect if there is a final question and what it is exactly. And if we find a such, which I am doubtful, then the final answer to this final question would be the same answer to all the koans - now go and find this universal answer.

shond | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 17:36
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this

Don’t hand me another glass of wine. Pour it in my mouth. I’ve lost the way to my mouth.

Rumi

Lee | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 17:18
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dear, it is only you who can

dear, it is only you who can pour the wine into your mouth and if you lost the way find it otherwise you will have to stay sober... :-)

It's like you asking me to convey to you the feeling of love and in words...

shond | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 22:30
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I believe our 'Enlightened' Sufi poet friend is referring to a state of mindlessness in which nothing is known; the surrender of knowing exactly nothing.

Phroggy | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 23:14
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42

The final universal answer is that none of the questions ultimately make any sense or apply in any way. The true answer to all questions doesn't answer the questions, it dissolves them.

Phroggy | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:53
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you are right

(1) you put it beautifully! I totally agree.

(2) I think that if someone is not to play by himself with the questions and answers and get frustrated he will not be able to arrive to this conclusion by deep realization. Therefore my tricky answer...

(3) I thought you were going to say that the final answer is 42 :-)))))

shond | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 22:36
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HA! Yes, 42 was MY 'tricky answer' for those who still think there are answers. Hehe.
For those folks, it's useful to see where the questions really come from.

Phroggy | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 23:18
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Ponder

Nothing Is.

note- zen- "emptiness is form, form is emptiness."

beyond the dualtiy of questions and answers- deeper still-
there is NOTHING HERE. All form is nothing Appearing as something. this is realized within- as the final answer- which naturally makes Buddha laugh.

this is said with an utter understanding that passeth all understanding- as Rumi says, "we can sail this boat lying down."

and the knowing that i've said too much. but isn't that the Beloved saying, "i don't mind."

Lee | Sat, 12/13/2008 - 16:38
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Yeah. In more 'practical' terms, Consciousness invents everything out of imagination to fill the emptiness, and none of it has any relationship to anything but itself. There is no foundational physical or conceptual reality, just empty Awareness.

Consciousness imagines things like planets and stars and these take form in our perception, and then it imagines questions about that which it formed with it's own imagination. It questions how the stars are formed and imagines an answer or creates phenomena to lead to new questions or to provide answers. This is how science operates; an entirely subjective process of creation which is imagined to rest on a firm foundation of objectivity. It's all an interesting game of make believe but none of it can say anything about the source of imagination.

This imagining the universe into form is happening in your mind right now, and whether your question is about black holes or 'what do I need to make me happy or find Truth?' the questions relate only to form and have nothing at all to do with Truth prior to form. Happiness can only be played out as a temporary movement of mind, supported entirely by your notion of unhappiness, since neither one exists.

This, alone, tells us that Truth cannot be imagined, nor found by the mind which only imagines. It also says that Truth is utter simplicity itself, devoid of all thought and form, prior to all of it, resting as the foundation to all of it; the emptiness underlying form, the stillneness underlying movement; the etrnity at the root of temporal events; the infinity at the root of limitation.

Phroggy | Sun, 12/14/2008 - 01:45
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Form and emptiness

"the emptiness underlying form, the stillneness underlying movement; the etrnity at the root of temporal events; the infinity at the root of limitation."

As it is the root, it is also the tree. Emptiness is form, emptiness is temporality, emptiness is limitation. Samsara is Nirvana. It's really all very simple; accept totally 'that which is', and hell becomes paradise.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 12/14/2008 - 02:14
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Omkaradatta

"As it is the root, it is also the tree. Emptiness is form, emptiness is temporality, emptiness is limitation. Samsara is Nirvana. It's really all very simple;"

yah!

"accept totally 'that which is', and hell becomes paradise"

now you is dreaming!

the judgement gone- tree of good and evil gone- what is is.

and always only this moment

Lee | Mon, 12/15/2008 - 16:53
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Phroggy

"This, alone, tells us that Truth cannot be imagined, nor found by the mind which only imagines. It also says that Truth is utter simplicity itself, devoid of all thought and form, prior to all of it, resting as the foundation to all of it; the emptiness underlying form, the stillneness underlying movement; the etrnity at the root of temporal events; the infinity at the root of limitation."

agreed. and this very truth is who we are.

"The only absolutely important thing is to know who you are beyond form." Tolle

("realize" instead of "know" to snag the quiggle.)

this truth- this formless awareness- is who "we" are.

the realization of this is it. ego's motto- "seek but don't find" is to be closely watched. it plays in all of us.

Lee | Mon, 12/15/2008 - 16:09
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Snag the quiggle? Hehe.

"ego's motto- "seek but don't find" is to be closely watched. it plays in all of us."

Eggzakly! That has been the 'deer-in-the-headlights' realization for myself, and of course the endless whining on my part about others with their methods and practices. The distraction has never been so clear.

Phroggy | Mon, 12/15/2008 - 20:39
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Snig the squiggle

~ <-- His name is Snig ;-).

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Mon, 12/15/2008 - 22:44
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Phroggy

i'd like to challenge you- but ---- that was a great post!

Lee | Tue, 12/16/2008 - 18:44