"Am I The Body" meditation
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Look at your body as an external object. look at parts and processes of the body and realize that you have no idea how they exactly work, you have no control over them, you didn't designed nor created them. So on what basis, then, you claim ownership over them, regard them as "I"? Isn't it the same situation also with any world object? So why don't you reclaim ownership over all world objects?
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But the body is always with me!
But the body is always with me! so if I am not the body why is it so?
Indeed?
When you are asleep, is your body is with you?
People that see your body sleeping cannot testify that you are there at that time. And you, traveling in your dream world or rather in your astral world know that in that dimension the physical body was not with you...
Think about it!
Somatic (in the body) Buddhism
I posted this elsewhere, but this quote from Reggie Ray's article in Tricycle Magazine (summer 2006) titled "Touching Enlightenment' bears repeating:
"My sense is that there is a very real problem among Western Buddhist practitioners. We are attempting to practice meditation and to follow a spiritual path in a disembodied state, and our practice is therefore doomed to failure. The full benefits and fruition of meditation cannot be experienced or enjoyed when we are not grounded in our bodies... the early text, when understood fully, implies not only that we are able to touch enlightenment with our bodies, but that we must do so — that in fact there is no other way to touch enlightenment except in and through our bodies. For most of us, and for most of modern culture, the body is principally seen as the object of our ego agendas, the donkey for the efforts of our ambitions. The donkey is going to be thin, the donkey is going to be strong, the donkey is going to be a great yoga practitioner, the donkey is going to look and feel young, the donkey is going to work eighteen hours a day, the donkey is going to help me fulfill my needs, and so on. All that is necessary is the right technique. There is no sense that the body might actually be more intelligent than 'me,' my precious self, my conscious ego.
" . . . In the classical Buddhist traditions, meditation is deeply somatic – it is fully grounded in sensations, sensory experience, feeling, emotions, and so on. Even thoughts are related to as somatic – as bursts of energy experienced in the body rather than nonphysical phenomena that disconnect us from our bodies. In its most ancient Buddhist form, meditation is a technique for letting go of the objectifying tendency of thought and of entering deeply and fully into communion with our embodied experience. And hence it leads to ‘touching enlightenment with the body.’ And yet, among many of us modern people, meditation is often practiced as a kind of conceptual exercise, a mental gymnastic. We often approach it as a way to fulfill yet another agenda or project – that of attempting to become 'spiritual,' according to whatever we happen to think that is. We may try to use meditation to become peaceful, sharper, more “open,” more effective in our lives, even more conceptually adroit. The problem with this is that we are attempting to be managers, to supersede nature, to control 'the other.' In this case, the 'other' is ourselves, our bodies, and our own experience. Ultimately, it is our own somatic experience of reality that we are trying to override in the attempt to fulfill our ego aim.”
His recent book 'Touching Enlightenment' develops this view further. Well worth reading, IMHO.
rabar
"That which is not present in deep dreamless sleep is not real." Ramana Maharshi
"The resonant, sounding breath is the self-arising (relaxed) manifestation of deep, dreamless sleep. Relax into it while awake and -- guess w
The above does not imply a
The above does not imply a disembodied state but just the hard realization of the evident fact that we are not the body, whether we wish it or not. The same way that we can go on using our car but we better not feel that we are the car. Entering into this understanding actually allows us to have a better utilization of the car for spiritual development.
no evidence
That is right. No evidence shows that while we are asleep we are in the body, only our skeptic assumptions.
In this regard, worthwhile to read also the excellent article: http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/3-reasons-why-you-believe-you-are-body-3-r...
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You are never in the body, the body is in You!
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what is the body? what makes it any different from a tree or a car? Under a proper microscope, once could see that they all the same, just atoms vibrating or in other words energy.
Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om
Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad
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That's right, as is the microscope you look through and the eye that perceives through it. There's nothing real at that level. Are vibrating atoms able to perceive other vibrasting atoms? The atoms are just energy constructs and the energy is just another idea. It's all a story, a dream invented by Consciousness that can't get away from Consciousness any more than a thought in your head can escape and go running down the street and get hit by a truck.
maybe yes and maybe no
"It's all a story, a dream invented by Consciousness"
Up to that point we were discussing solid findings based on experiential facts or/and logic, the only tools we have to validate.
Saying that everything is within our consciousness as some paths believe in is an hypothesis that may be true or not, but it is valid as any other hypothesis is, such as that all reality is within the nose of an elephant called Bubu.
This should be clearly noted.
The Bubu nose theory
When one begins asking spiritual questions, it's necessary to accept that any answers will transcend "experiential facts and/or logic". The scientist does not pretend to be a mystic any more than a mystic pretends to be a scientist.
Ultimately, Truth requires that you abandon everything you think you know, so why not begin with the idea of the validity of facts and experience. If it's true that everything is an invention of Consciousness, that includes all facts and experience, so it would be wise to consider the possibility.
Finally, experiential facts and logic are NOT the only tools you have. Cultivate the willingness to see what is so directly, without the interference of the illusory mind.
I AM VERY MUCH THE BODY
without 'I am the body' how can 'I am' exists? At the highest microest level also body exists to experiece 'I am'! In deep sleep memory is the body for knowledge of I am!
Be in the remembrance of Easiness.
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'I Am'.....Is, body or no body. In deep sleep there is no memory or knowledge, only Beingness. Beingness does not need anything in order to be, including knowledge. What is there to know about Beingness? Are you seeking to experience Beingness or to realize Beingness? Don't turn 'I Am' into an object; it is the subject.
Even beyond I Amness
And you can go even beyond I Amness to god. Even to Nisargadatta it took time to discover that.
kaput's picture Even beyond I Amness
Yes That so called I Amness has to be dissolved and then nobody remains there to say " I Am That".
OM
Definitions of God
From what I understand from the later books of Nisargadatta and other sources of wisdom, even beyond the I Amness there is some consciousness, god still knows god.
It is not just complete dissolution (Actually, there is no such thing as complete dissolution. This is by the way, a good definition of God)
It is maybe a complete and final dissolution of any residue of the personal identity.
It is, from our perspective, a state of ceaseless instantaneous movement of going beyond, and then beyond the beyond, and then beyond beyond the beyond... which is another good definition of God.
going beyond, and then beyond the beyond, and then beyond beyond
Yes the path is endless,but at last it has end but that is after going beyond and beyond & beyond.
But seekers(most of)think after reaching a stage that they have reached the peak,no it is not so.There are no. of peaks after one peak and one has to cross all of them.
The so called "I" merges at a level completely,but then it is on the will and wish of the Yogi to abolish/merge it completely with THAT INFINITY or to keep little bit of it for the guidance of other seekers.
OM
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The Yogi doesn't have a will any more than you do. If he thinks he does, then there's more beyond beyonding needed.
Frog & pond
A frog living in the pond think that the world is this pond only.But the world is not limited to pond only it is much beyond than that pond.That phrog has to come out of the pond only then he can realize his mistake,other wise he will go on saying that this pond is world.
OM
Maybe
Maybe the pond is really the world, and the "world beyond the pond" is only in the mind.
http://www.omkaradatta.info
world & pond
The pond is really the pond, and the "world beyond the pond" do exist.
OM
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Are the streets paved in gold and stuff like that?
please
Dears - you deviate again from the original theme of the post...
What you discuss is fascinating (I mean it) but why here and not in the forums... It is extremely hard to navigate among the relevant comments this way...
thanks!
Hmmm...
Do the sages say so? Don't they say the world beyond the pond is maya?
Sri Ramana stayed his whole life near Arunachala. Nisargadatta too rarely left his apartment. Maybe they discovered something about "the world" that made it no longer worth pursuing ;-).
http://www.omkaradatta.info
Sri Ramana stayed his whole life near Arunachala. Nisargadatta t
Sri Ramana stayed his whole life near Arunachala. Nisargadatta too rarely left his apartment.
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Here what I have talked about is not about the boundaries about a region(arunachala) nor home(Nisargadatta),what I am Talking/Pointing would never be understood by you.
OM
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When Phrog comes out of pond, Phrog acquires a will? Is there a princess involved in this fairytale too?
Phrog acquires a will? Is there a princess involved in this fair
Phrog acquires a will? Is there a princess involved in this fairytale too?
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First you become able to acquire a will then you will find that thousands of princess are there in reality waiting for you not in fairytale.
I can see that all this is fairytale for you,but my dear be little bit sincere and you will find that it is not so and it is beyond your child play.
Be mature little bit only then you will get real princess otherwise fairytale is sufficient for your childhood.
God bless you for early maturity.
OM
Men in Black
What does all this have to do with getting up in the morning?
I am is both subject and object.
i am is both subject and object otherwise how can it experience body and say 'i am body'? body or matter or memory is one and the same. knowledge of iam arises automatically out of memory and announces the self-experience ' i am'.
Be in the remembrance of Easiness.
no need to be the object in order to sense it
In order to sense an object you do not need to be this particular object.
And these is no true knowledge of "I Am", it is purely a state of consciousness that cannot be known by the mind except of having a vague clue about it as being the result of negations, otherwise it is not being but some other cover to be peeled.
I AM IS INDIVISIBLE OF SUBJET AND OBJECT.
I AM IS WHOLE ITSELF. IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE A BORDER BETWEEN BODY AND NOT BODY, SENSATION WITH BODY AND SENSATION WITHOUT BODY. AT ANY LEVEL OF SENSATION, BODY( AT ANY FREQUENCY OF VIBRATION) MUST BE THERE.BODY IN SENSE NOTHING BUT VIBRATIONS. I AM MUST BE SELF-VIBRATING INORDER TO VIBRATE INTO BODY.
Be in the remembrance of Easiness.
mmm
It looks to me that you are just repeating the same slogans. You cannot sense the body sensations of my body, only of yours.
Why it is not possible
Swami Vivekananda exprienced this. When you strat thinking and practicing that all the creatures soul are same, you can feel this. Then you will reach the state where there will be one supreme soul.
Question!!
hi all,
If the body is separated from us, or the inner-being or essence of humans, as humans, do we understand and communicate and know someone's essence (the self without body) or with their ego-mind(the mindset that binds us to the body)??
Since medidtation allows people to be in more contact with the other parts of the self rather than the ego-mind which is of boundaries and binds us to the body; which part of someone do we know first?
Topics of transcending our body is also discussed in our english classes and we have set up a forum in discussion of such topics, please browse our forum if interested ^^
http://transparency.phpbb9.com/forum.htm
It is true. But how
C.Bhargava Sarma
To look at body as an external object. one should be external from the body. the consciousness of self should be generated. But how can I get that. what should I do, to be away from my body. If I think this body is not mine. than nothing on earth is mine. i am the soul and the soul alone. when can I go to that state. Sir give me the path to attain that destiny
with regards
yours
c.bhargava sarma.
You are putting the cart
You are putting the cart before the horses. After you consider your relationship with the body as described in this post, admit the truth that you don't really know firsthand how it functions or what's going on in it, nor designed it, you suddenly realize deeply that it is absurd to think that you are this body. There is some deep realization that sprouts in you from this simple and consistent inquiry that yields this understanding.We, the drivers, have become so conditioned to consider the car as us that we don't manage to see the absurdity in that stand.