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Nothingness when viewed by the mind seems awful, the most dreadful thing to fear from, a black hole. That's why humanity is so agitated, so occupied with doing and excitements and addictions. Just to fill the nothingness hole perceived by the common mind as hell.

Nothingness when viewed beyond the mind, is the most serene place to be, the prime gateway to enlightenment.

abra | Thu, 04/24/2008 - 09:41
eputkonen's picture

originally nothing

When we were born we did not see ourselves as anything...we were nothing.

We were given a name, and constantly referred to as the body (ann sit here and be still, john eat your food, sam go to bed, etc.) We learned to identify with out bodies and name, because everyone else does and gives the impression you are as well. This became the box that all things were collected.

As we grew, our successes, failures, etc. landed in the box. You are a good girl or a bad boy, you are smart or dumb, etc, etc. Our identity grew with the mental content collected.

Some of this was deemed bad and so we hide some of the contents (trying to switch them out of better things). Everyone feels insufficient...we learned that the more content the better and so the holes/space around the content has become uncomfortable. We are always trying to fill the spaces and feel whole/complete (full, the box is full). But this will never a happen, there is not enough to ever fill the box.

So we went from innocent children we felt happy (for no real reason0 and complete although there is just space (no content yet) feeling not complete and empty because of the space around the content (basically, the mind is causes the trouble).

We are that space/hole/emptiness...we are misidentifying with the content.


~ Eric Putkonen

eputkonen | Fri, 04/25/2008 - 18:41
Omkaradatta's picture

It's interesting... (nothingness)

It's interesting that the mind views "nothingness" as an empty space, a hole. Yet nothingness really means "no-thingness", or no things.

The mind can conceptualize only things, yet there are really no things in truth. When water is coming out of the faucet, is the water a 'thing'? It is not -- rather, it is a flow, a movement. This is nothingness: Flow, movement, activity.

If you go to the bank, then "return" there later, you will encounter a very different scenario (if in fact it's still open, and even still there, not moved to a new location). Different people are there, you will hear different sounds, smell different smells, pens/paper will be in different places, computer screens will be displaying different things, the clerks will be different (or react to you differently), tables will have different amounts of dust on them, the floor will have new scuffs, etc. So what exactly is "the bank", anyway? There is no such entity. That is no-thingness.

P.S. you yourself will be wearing different clothes, have a different hairstyle, thinking different thoughts, behaving differently, feeling differently. You are not an entity either ;-).

And what of the traditional view of nothingness? Well, aside perhaps from some particular emotional state, have you ever experienced it, or known anyone who has? Didn't think so. It's imaginary... there's no such "thing" ;-).

Omkaradatta | Wed, 09/03/2008 - 04:27
Phroggy's picture

My bank doesn't really

My bank doesn't really exist??!!!!

:::Running to make a withdrawal:::::

Phroggy | Wed, 09/03/2008 - 05:02
Omkaradatta's picture

Your money...

Your money doesn't really exist either, it's all numbers stored in a computer ;-). Here, have a $20 --> o

(btw, the "o" above is actually real, and the $20 bill you're comparing it against in your imagination isn't ;-).

Omkaradatta | Wed, 09/03/2008 - 05:51
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nothingness! eh? fancy word

who percieves this nothingness? as long as there is someone percieveing this nothingness..then it cannot be nothingness. If there is nobody percieving this nothingness, then it cannot be called "nothingness" how would you know.

tapas | Fri, 12/19/2008 - 17:26
lagrima's picture

say it to the mind.

Say it to the mind.

Anyway, the above talks about the feeling of emptiness, not about emptiness, not about the logical semantics of the concept emptiness, just about the subjective feeling.

lagrima | Thu, 01/08/2009 - 22:47
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The Buddha should have gone deeper

The Buddha claimed that the cause of the human suffering is attachments - desires and aversions.

I think he should have gone deeper - it is the fear of emptiness (not emptiness but the fear of emptiness, a fear of lack of mental excitement content). In order to fill the approaching fearful emptiness we constantly and hectically collect objects of attachments which fill the void with content of mental excitement: desires and aversions. A never ending constant and hectic race. Goenka says about this that we are attached to attachments, addicted to addiction. Give me whatever, it doesn't matter what as anything can serve to fill a void.

But who am I to correct the Buddha?!

johnd | Mon, 01/12/2009 - 18:33
Omkaradatta's picture

Fear of emptiness

> I think he should have gone deeper - it is the
> fear of emptiness (not emptiness but the fear of
> emptiness, a fear of lack of mental excitement content).

Generally, what we fear/avert from is what we already have (and what we desire is what we don't have). It may sound hard to believe, but look into whatever unfulfillment and discontent is in you, and you may find it to be true. It's a vicious cycle of never being happy with where we are now.

Look into what kind of mental excitement/content is feared to be missing, and you've taken a step further toward knowing yourself. It's not just general-purpose stimulation, although it may seem to be so until investigated closely. People are picking their excitement carefully, but what hides it is that everyone tends to choose the same type. What might that be? Look to find out.

Omkaradatta | Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:03
Phroggy's picture

Silly Wabbit

"Generally, what we fear/avert from is what we already have (and what we desire is what we don't have). It may sound hard to believe, but look into whatever unfulfillment and discontent is in you, and you may find it to be true. It's a vicious cycle of never being happy with where we are now."

Of course. Nobody desires what is already present nor runs from what is not.

Phroggy | Tue, 01/13/2009 - 07:25
Omkaradatta's picture

It seems folks don't realize...

Yes, it's generally recognized that we desire what isn't present. However, I don't think folks often realize that what they avoid and avert from is what is already present. Otherwise, there would not be nearly so much projection going on.

Anyway -- in reference to the original post, ego fears and seeks to avoid the emptiness that's already present. This attempt is what makes the emptiness feel empty. Otherwise, emptiness is contentment, fulfillment. Niz: "The void is full to the brim".

Omkaradatta | Tue, 01/13/2009 - 08:21
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Nothingness is born out of self-ignorance.

If someone is asked to go and check a room where nobody is there, the reply would be 'nobody is there' but forget to note 'himself. Nothingness is absence of any other expereinces but not self-experience or 'I am'.

Be in the remembrance of Easiness.

easy-self | Sat, 05/09/2009 - 19:09
Toltec Logic's picture

Nothingness is everything

Nothingness is everything
where one becomes two
original being is...
regardless of what
we might think...
temporal conditioning
has no say in awakening
to suchness as is

Great perfect mirror
awakening is
not an idea
but a time when
the knowing essence
becomes manifest

Toltec Logic | Wed, 01/27/2010 - 16:13
Gilana's picture


I read the above comments, but my one and only experience with No-thing-ness scared the bajeebers out of me! I don't scare that easy, but Man! No thing. Ever. Not even the words, no thing.

I got a little close, then ran away as fast as I could. I didn't touch it I just viewed it.

I suppose when some of you write that it is the mind that gets scared, that is true, but what are we finally other than the mind?

Anybody else seen this?

Gilana | Thu, 06/03/2010 - 05:18
Toltec Logic's picture

In the realm of the mind it

In the realm of the mind it is said
heaven or hell turns on the spin of
single thought. There is the no-thing
that is everything and then there is
endles abyss that is void of anything.

Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence

Toltec Logic | Thu, 06/03/2010 - 14:51
Gilana's picture

What is

My master--who has experienced the process of dying, but didn't--says this:

This body is the opportunity! People think that being without a body will be "freeing," and "if I can only get rid of this body...." However, they haven't gotten to the truth of it. Having a body is a huge gift. Without it, without the body, change is really hard and spiritual progress is very difficult. It's much easier when you can move.

Toltec--to me, your comment about the “realm of mind” turning on the "spin of a single thought," reminds me of my Master's exhortations. He is helping us to allow the emotional torrent/mental analyzations/egoic spurring of life while staying on our feet. By learning to not follow any of it.

This physical "world" we know doesn't turn on the spin of a single thought--as our "world" will after death. We can learn, here, now, how to allow it all to pass by while staying in the eye of the hurricane. To simply enjoy everything that happens, good and bad, while living in worship of divinity. AND to recognize that: that is true life--not reaction happening (which we normally call "life.")

Your comment puts his insistence on these points, his wisdom in acknowledging their importance, his compassion shown in the continual training of us into the correct context.

Thanks for the post...I needed to hear myself and be thankful.

Gilana | Sat, 06/05/2010 - 21:46
Toltec Logic's picture

Stillmess in Action...

Glade to help make the connection... in spirit.

Every day every moment is something different
yet something remains unchanging eternal.
Wise yet appearing ignorant? Adept yet appearing
inept? Going along with the time knowing when to act?
"Uncontrived when quite, creative when active, clear in
stillness, tranquilly employing illumination, attaining it
in the mind and proving it in affairs, only then is it
called true stillness and true clarity."
Using yin to equalize yang? "Nonbirth is eternal life; this
is the submission of yin... Those who have not yet died first learn to die; this is the stilling of yang... The stilling of yang is stopping false yang and nurturing true yang; the submission of yin is using true yin to repel false yin... When one is able to nurture and to submit, one governs oneself with strictness and responds to others with openness; the mind becomes increasingly humble, while the way becomes increasingly noble..."

Taoist I Ching

Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence

Toltec Logic | Sat, 06/05/2010 - 23:00
senjoyster's picture


Is well explained in Bhagavat gita.
In Tamil proverbs there is a saying "Andathill ullathu Pindathilum ullathu". our body also follows the black hole rule. Once we enter the black hole you can only feel. you cannot see things. Same way we can feel the enlightenment.


senjoyster | Sun, 07/04/2010 - 21:02
Toltec Logic's picture

Openness and nothingness

The richness of strength that is able to be flexible
and yielding is auspicious when meeting the hidden
master... producing or preserving richness of illumination
aware of perils arousing one's spirit forstalling dangers
proceeding with vigor it is good to attain
the proper balance...

Akin to making ceremonial offerings, 'Cultivating celestial
nobility, human nobility will follow. First there are hard
times,then there is success. We can be sure of this

Taoist I Ching

Lake, fire, wind
earth; mountain,
water, thunder,
and sky...

"If you want to attain the Tao, you need to know
how to submit to it and be receptive to it, and
you must follow it correctly... If you follow it correctly
forever, there will be firmness in flexibility,
unconcealed, unobscured, never changing till death."

"Shedding the conditioned temperment, you expose
the original face of the primordial..."

"However, the way of transformation requires real
knowledge and clear insight. If you engage in guesswork
without insight, even if the celestial treasure is in view
you won't be able to use it. First you must see it, then
use it. Then there is no function within function that has
function... being and nonbeing do not stand, for and
against do not bind... making effort within the effort
that is effortless."

"If you do not wait for the proper time and rush forward
in hopes of speedy accomplishment, you will certainly
regret having beckoned danger... People who understand
the Tao, should know the dangers, and had better give up
and wait for the proper time... people without knowledge
act arbitrarily, in ignorance, wrongly coveting the
celestial treasure; they act dangerously on a dangerous

The Taoist I Ching

It'll Shine when it Shines..
precisely on the threshood
where the real yang
is in view
refining oneself
awaited the proper time
correctly oriented
solutions can be found
even in difficulty...


"Revolution involves gaining joy through illumination,
refining metal by fire, removing old impruities. Removing
old impurities does not mean forgetting things, forgetting
the body, extinguishing the mind, and stopping thoughts;
it is necessary to remove impurities in the midst of action
in order to accomplish the task. This is because the Tao is
alive, in movement; it is neather material nor void. We
use worldly realities to practice the reality of the Tao,
and use human affairs to cultivate celestial virtues; both
striving and nonstriving, comprehending essence and
comprehending life, the endless work all must be done
in the midst of activity."

"Filled with living energy, the real self sits peacefully in
the center, tranquil and unperturbed, yet sensitive and

"Hell and heaven do exist in the world - they are both
created in people's minds... it is the falsehood and
truth of thoughts, which distinguish them."

The Taoist I Ching

Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence

Toltec Logic | Tue, 07/06/2010 - 15:34
Toltec Logic's picture

gathering delight

Tranquility, disparity, haulting, obstruction...
Disintegration, liberation, perseverance,
inaccessibility, concealment of illumination...
Before the death of innocence there is no
personal history... Difficulty, darkness, danger,
stripping away, travail, damage to illumination...
Degeneration, great accumulation, gathering,
increase, truthfulness within... Thunder,
following, joy, observing, advance... Great power,
overseeing, the army, humility and delight...
Rising, mountain, gathering, earth, increase,
sameness with others. Resistance to change
may very well be futile, while direct access to
the eternity of being belongs to everyone.

~ Wake Up ~

Toltec Logic | Wed, 07/07/2010 - 19:10
ruby246's picture

nothingness is everything

pressing "like" ~ enjoyed this expression of nothingness. thank you.

ruby246 | Mon, 05/21/2012 - 23:59
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Nothing Can't Exist!!

The very notion of nothingness suggests not existing and when we give it that title we have brought it into existence. There may be another title one can use which suggest not participating in... but nothingness isn't the term.
--Elijah "NatureBoy"-- Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 11/08/2011 - 13:30
ruby246's picture

Nothingness can't exist!!

Interesting post and I do get what you are saying, but the trouble with this term is that words in the first place give a context to what has no context.

I have experienced nothingness and for me " not participating in" is not a term that would fit ~ for not participating in suggests that there is, in the void, something to participate in, and there is not ~ there is no thing.

Nothingness is the only word that I can think of that describes what is really not describable ~ it is as close as we can come in my opinion .
regards, ruby.

ruby246 | Tue, 05/22/2012 - 00:09
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Most Abstract Terms Attempts To Describe The Undescribable!

Abstract terms like good/evil, pretty/ugly and the like are other words like nothing, describing something which it is not. They describe one's preferences [judging] of an act or appearance they either like or dislike rather than just saying what it is. Example: killing is just killing it isn't evil nor good because the killer, and some others not wanting that which is killed to be, will think killing it is good while those disapproving of its being killed call it evil. What has happened is man are conditioned from childhood to make those kinds of judgments so we accept them. Therefore, nothing isn't alone, it's among the abstracts.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"-- Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 05/22/2012 - 01:19
lagrima's picture

Feeling of emptiness

Feeling of emptiness, extreme restlessness, extreme boredom, sense of addiction, and especially the fear of all those - they are all the same mind formation that builds on a past trauma and great fear of no content for the mind, of mindlessness.

lagrima | Sat, 09/29/2012 - 21:27