Liberation is one simple seeing

viv's picture



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Reading through all the texts it would seem that liberation is:

a) difficult, and/or
b) takes a long time and a lot of effort.

That's not true.

All it takes is one look.

One look to see that what has always been terms I/Self does not exist, has never existed. That's it's a concept, an idea.

That's all it takes.

Make this easy on yourself!

www.v4vivality.blogspot.com



mula's picture

So if there is no "I" why are you so afraid of difficulties :-)

Unfortunately, this simplistic deceleration is untrue and deceiving by fact. What you say does lead to some realization - intellectual and by the mind, not further.

The liberation you are talking about is that which Neo Advaitans talk about and it is NOT the self realization, the enlightenment, the moksha. It does not touch the metaphysical layers of the psyche, not even most of your accumulated conditionings.

So sorry to disappoint you, you are not there but you are in the right way if you cultivate your sincerity and modesty. Don't try to find shortcuts.

PS. And why are you afraid of hardships, difficulties, and effort? you yourself claim to realize that there is no "I", Self in you, so how come you are troubled with effort and difficulties of something that does not exist? :-)) You understand now that nature of your "liberation"?

mula | Sat, 07/02/2011 - 07:40
viv's picture

Hey Mula Firstly, why do you

Hey Mula

Firstly, why do you assume that I'm afraid of hardships, difficulties and effort?

Secondly, you said:
"It does not touch the metaphysical layers of the psyche, not even most of your accumulated conditionings."

I agree that realising there is no self, doesn't touch accumulated conditionings. Because conditionings aren't accumulated. There is only ever this conditioning - and conditioning is a concept, as is "metaphysical layers of the psyche."

Just a story. Reality is only ever this. There are no layers, or accumulations. There's just this reality.

Thanks for the comments - I don't need you to tell me whether or not you think I'm there... because there is no 'I' to be there. Never was, isn't now, never will be.

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought.
www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Sat, 07/02/2011 - 14:24
davids's picture

You ignored his PS punch

You ignored his PS punch line.

You sell a product that you don't have.

davids | Sun, 07/03/2011 - 18:05
viv's picture

In my first para - I asked a

In my first para - I asked a question relating to it.

I'm not selling anything, least of all a product!

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought.
www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Mon, 07/04/2011 - 11:09
nomind3184's picture

i would like to know , if

i would like to know , if you didnt hear and adopt the notion there was no self would you of even thought about it?didnt you need the conditioning to get to this point ?

is there such thing as an orginal thought/idea ?

nomind3184 | Sun, 07/10/2011 - 17:56
viv's picture

Yes, the conditioning seems

Yes, the conditioning seems to have led to seeing that there is no self. If I hadn't heard the possibility then I would still be operating under the false illusion that I live this life.

Is there such a thing as an original thought/idea? I have no idea. LOL!

Literally. There is no I to have an idea. 'I' am an idea.

What do you think?

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought.
www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Sun, 07/10/2011 - 18:27
nomind3184's picture

now you know this, what will

now you know this, what will you do with the information ?

is it a theory what leads to a dead end ?,, will you still function in life as an I or Self? how does it change your life ?

nomind3184 | Sun, 07/10/2011 - 18:46
viv's picture

I won't do anything with it.

I won't do anything with it.

I won't function in life as an I or a self, life functions as an I or a self.

How does it change my life? I see that it's not my life. It's just life. LIfe lives as me, as you, as this.

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought.
www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:16
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so we are just the observer?

how does one function with no choice , i cant see any getting away from it ? you come across many choices in daily life and it needs the thought from the self or I

choose any topic you may wish but you must apply a choice and the choice doesnt come from the living organisms as that is only concerned with continuity of life eg eating and porcreating.the choice comes from your ego or the thought of an i, so correct me if im wrong untill we give up choice we are still funtioning as an I or with the ego ?????

just an example ok ,,,when you want to enter into a relationship or give life to another, why would you choose specific person rather than just engage with the someone from the opposite sex?

nomind3184 | Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:56
viv's picture

No it doesn't need a thought

No it doesn't need a thought from self or I. There is a choice.

But, listen, nomind3184, don't believe what I say.

Look and see if you can find a thing that is a 'self' or an 'I'.

Don't just accept the idea of it. Actually, look to whether it exists.

Look at it like this. There can be a thought that references an imaginary character, yeah? Say, Santa Claus. Does Santa Claus exist? Actually exist? The story exists, the thought exists. They ACTUALLY exist, while they exist. But Santa Claus?

Same with the self.

And why would you choose a specific person. You don't choose. There is choosing. Because let's face it.... how many times have people chosen others as partners who gave them grief or were 'unsuitable.'. Surely, if there is a you to choose you would choose all sorts of things.. ie. to think happy, helpful, loving thoughts. But are those the kind of thoughts you always have? Are they? Be honest.

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought.
www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Mon, 07/11/2011 - 19:29
nomind3184's picture

im not against you in anyway

im not against you in anyway and pls call me dave !!!

one deeply looks into this

this notion was spoke about by UG krishnamurti , am i not correct?? do you listen to all he has to say ?

there is always a choice and 90& of the choices come via the ego and the conditioning you have had all of your life.to just say you dont choose and its a choosing is ignorant mostly every choice made comes from the ego,even how you are debating this is coming from your ego ,, if not pls prove it otherwise???

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought

if The thought of the self is only a thought,,then it is only a thought that there is no self !! how can one be right but the other cant ????????

nomind3184 | Tue, 07/12/2011 - 00:09
viv's picture

Riddle me this:

Well, Dave... "if the thought of the self is only a thought, then it is only a thought that there is no self".

So.. what is self?

What is it actually?

And ego? What is it?

This debating (?) isn't coming from ego or self or thought or anything. It just happens.

BUT, if you can tell me and show me what self and ego is, then please do.

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought.
www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Tue, 07/12/2011 - 16:24
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i know what your saying and

i know what your saying and i agree , all that is there is a living being and everthing else is thought, but why do we have thought !

the self is the living organism what you see and function life through,if there wasnt a self in the terms described you wouldnt even know your existing !!

it is a seperate enity , the thought of the self has been manifested for survial in todays society !!

the human body has evoled enough and already knows everything it needs to its only the brain which continues to evolve.

we all like to quote others words , so my ego wanted to share these with yours lol!!

*The whole purpose of a conversation or dialogue is only to convert the other man to your point of view. If you have no point of view, there is no way he can convince or convert you to his point of view

*Only if you reject all the other paths can you discover your own path

*I don't have any thoughts which I can call my own--not one thought, not one word, not one experience.

**You have to be saved from the very idea that you have to be saved. You must be saved from the saviors, redeemed from the redeemers

*When you know nothing, you say a lot. When you know something, there is nothing to say.

nomind3184 | Tue, 07/12/2011 - 18:56