The knowledge of a Satguru like you is correct. Should we not condemn the false-knowledge preached by all these fraud preachers?

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The knowledge of a Satguru like you is correct. Should we not condemn the false-knowledge preached by all these fraud preachers?

In this world only atheist is the fraud preacher and you should condemn such fraud preachers who preach that God does not exist. All the other preachers who accept the existence of God are not fraud teachers and therefore nobody should condemn them. A person who teaches that you should not go to the school at all is a fraud teacher and should be vehemently condemned. But all the teachers in the school or college or university are not fraud teachers. They are true teachers who suit to different levels of the students. You should not scold the schoolteacher after going to college.

When you leave the college and go to the university you should not scold the lecturer of the college after hearing to the University professor. The schoolteacher, the college lecturer and the University professor constitute the ladder of knowledge for all the students to climb up. The lower step should not be condemned after reaching the higher step. In the lower stage of knowledge there will be some errors and mistakes, which suit the students of that level. Gita says the same (Sarvarambhahi doshena).

The schoolteacher preaches the idol-worship, which is suitable to the lowest cadre. In this stage people are with full jealousy and egoism. Their mental capacity is also low. Due to egoism and jealousy they cannot worship the human form of Lord. Due to low mental capacity they cannot imagine formless God who is all pervading like space or cosmic energy. Moreover the devotion needs the worship of a limited form. Devotees want to serve the Lord and they cannot serve the formless Lord. Due to these points, a statue, which is a representative model is the best at this stage.

The college lecturer preaches the formless God. The mental capacity of the student is grown to imagine the all-pervading God like space or energy. But the egoism and jealousy are not removed. So the student goes to the second step and meditates upon the formless God due to higher mental capability, but cannot worship the human form of the Lord due to egoism and jealousy.

Therefore, due to the mistakes present in the students, the knowledge of that stage should be also erroneous to suit the students. In this second stage the all-pervading nature of God is realised, but not the living nature of God. When the jealousy and egoism are completely eradicated and the mind is completely purified (Chitta Suddhi), Sankara says that such a student is eligible for ‘Brahma Jnana Yoga’, which is university level. At this final stage the student recognises and accepts the human form of Lord. The student worships the limited human form and also gets all his or her doubts clarified. This facility of living nature is not available in formless God or statue. But unless the egoism and jealousy are completely removed this final stage is not at all possible.

The student after doing P.G.course at University level goes to higher levels like Ph.D or post-doctoral level. In this last stage a student is fixed on the concept of monoism or advaita. In this stage the student believes that the human body of the Lord and the Lord are one and the same like the electric wire and the electricity. In this stage whatever the human incarnation says is Veda and whatever the human incarnation does is Dharma. The student will not search Vedas or Dharma Sastras to verify what the Lord said is in Veda or not or what the Lord did is Dharma or not? Hanuman and Gopikas were students of such research level. Dharma Raja was a P.G.Student only.

When the Lord ordered him to tell a lie in the war Dharma Raja verified the Lord’s word in Dharma Sastra and refused to tell the lie. The Veda available today is a very small portion of the total Veda said by the Lord. The present Vedas are only one-year recitation of sage Bharadwaja who recited Vedas for 300 years. Even after 300 years, the sage found the remaining Vedas as large hills.

Whatever he recited in 300 years was only a handful stone of that hill. This is said in Veda (Anantavai Vedah). Since the Lord is the author of Veda, the research student believes that whatever is said by the human incarnation is Veda, which may exist in the remaining part of Veda. This is 100 percent faith in human incarnation, which is the research level. If the devotee has 99 percent faith only, he will verify the Lord’s preaching with Vedas and Sastras. For such P.G.Students only the Lord preaches quoting Vedas and Sastras. For a research student Vedas and Sastras need not be quoted. Sankara quoted Vedas and Sastras for P.G.Students. Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa never quoted Vedas and Sastras and His preaching was for the research level students.



Michael ji Ramaprasad's picture

No

There is no need to condemn anyone such a reason. The only reasonable solution is to love them...that is the only truth. A true Satguru will teach the unconditional truth of God/Self. This is the only way to world peace..and as you like to name it Universal Spirituality.

Michaelji Ramaprasad

Wú Míng(nameless) in truth

Michael ji Rama... | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 22:26
Phroggy's picture

Yes

Be suspicious of any guru who finds it necessary to condemn anyone. To point out the activity of delusion is one thing,(this is aimed at awareness), but to condemn other is another thing entirely, especially when there is no other.

Phroggy | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 01:57
Michael ji Ramaprasad's picture

i agree

we should diffently question, but i dont think condemning or attacking them is the right answer...Why not light there way with our Love? Our example is the best guru If we have realized our Self.

Michaelji Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 05:42
dattaswami2's picture

Satguru is needed

Satguru is needed for the correct guidance in the spiritual path, which is eternal. For temporary worldly affairs there is no need of Satguru. The animals, birds etc., do not require Satguru. They are constantly concentrating on the needs of the body and the needs of their issues only and are never aware of God. The human beings, which are always concentrating on the needs of the body and needs of their children only are no more different from the animals. The basic needs are not covered here because just for the basic needs there is no need of concentration through out the life. We find people who are always engaged in constant work only even though the basic needs for future hundred generations are attained. After some time, the human being becomes work-holic (like alcoholic). In the beginning a little alcohol is taken as a medicine for appetite. Alcohol is used in several medicines in little quantity. But in course of time, he becomes alcoholic and goes on drinking alcohol in unlimited quantities.

Similarly, one starts the work for the sake of basic needs of the body and the needs of his family. But in course of time, even if he has earned the basic needs for his future hundred generations, the fellow is not pacified and continues to work and work till the last day of death. Such work-holic fellow starts preaching that work is worship. Such human beings are basically the citizens of the kingdom of animals. Even the animals do not work if their stomach is filled.

But this human being earning without end is worse than the animals and therefore even their citizenship in the kingdom of animals gets cancelled! Even the tiger kills the deer when the tiger is hungry. But our fellow kills the poor innocent devotees also through endless corruption even though he has earned for his future thousand generations! Therefore the association of cruel animals also expelled the human being from their association!! He goes on with endless corruption for the sake of endless comforts of his endless future generations! Such souls are going to be thrown into the births of animals and birds and in their case God is not angry at all. God is the father who fulfills the desires of the children. When such human beings do not bend towards spiritual path in spite of repeated preaching, the divine father finally yields Himself to the rigid desire of the children who want only materialistic things permanently and hence they are given births of animals which are always involved in materialistic world only till the death. By taking birth in the kingdom of animals the human soul will at least learn to limit its endless ambition as said above. Therefore, God is trying to uplift the soul even by throwing it in to animals and there is no revenge here also. To reduce the intensity of the ambition the soul is subjected to torture in the hell and here also God is for the upliftment of the soul only.

Hence, the divine father is always working for the betterment of the soul only and there is no place of revenge on His children in His heart. Such souls are condemned forever by revolving in the cycle of hell and animals through constant training, which never ends, and they are responsible for their fate. A permanently mentally derailed son has to be kept in the mental hospital only forever and cannot be brought back to the house (Human kingdom). There are certain good and learned souls, which are interested in the spiritual path to gain the grace of the God. But the spiritual path is in confusion since several human beings interpret the scripture of God in different ways. Only God has to give the correct version of His own scripture.

For this purpose only God comes in human form called as Satguru to give correct guidance in the spiritual path.

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

dattaswami2 | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 02:43
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Satguru

Satguru is needed, but Satguru is found within, not without.

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 03:49
dattaswami2's picture

The spiritual knowledge

The spiritual knowledge or philosophy (Vedanta) is generally based on logic (Tarka). God is certainly above the logic and thus logic cannot touch Him (Naisha Tarkena -Veda). Nobody can show God by the indicating finger. Veda clearly states that God is beyond words, mind, intelligence and logic and the best way of explanation is silence about God. If that is so, there is no necessity of spiritual knowledge, because God cannot be known or imagined. Then what is the use of all these scriptures? Why are there so many discussions and debates?

Lord Yama says in Veda that angels and sages are still discussing about God and have concluded that God is unknowable. Here unknowable means unimaginable even to the logic. They have not conducted such long discussions to know simply that God is unknowable because it is not the object as my friend says! If God is said to be unimaginable, what is the subject of discussions? The answer is that the logic used in long discussions is not about God but about the Non-God entities (items of creation). Certainly, we cannot know God by logic or by any other means, but we can use the logic to reject a Non-God item projected as God. When you say that awareness is God, we will use the logic and see whether awareness is an item of creation.

If it is an item of creation, certainly it can be analyzed by logic. If logic fails to analyze it, certainly we will accept it as God. Similarly we shall apply the logic to several entities rejected as God and see whether any item is beyond logic.

The logic is the analytical faculty supported by practical examples, which stands as experimental verification. The ancient Indian logic was developed based on practical examples like mud pot etc. The advancement in logic took place from time to time and the logic was more and more sharpened. The authoritative parameters (Pramanas) have improved in number and therefore the schools of Nyaya, Vaiseshika and Vedanta differed in the subject of logic. The number of Pramanas increased from 2 to 4 and finally became 6 in Vedanta. This shows the improvement of logic in course of time. Today science is the most advanced logic since the experimental verification was improved. Therefore if I am explaining the philosophy based on science, it means that the philosophy is more and more clear due to the advanced logic. I told you already that the logic (science) is only useful to refuse any item of creation as not God.

The creator cannot be any item of the creation. If creator becomes creation, there must be some other creator for this creator to become the creation. Ad-infinitum (Anavastha) results. Science disproved some conclusions of the earlier logic and this should not be misunderstood as refusing God. God is in no way touched because the earlier logic also was dealing with only the analysis of created items. Tarka means the analysis of the items of creation, which are indicated and understood by their corresponding names or words (Tarkyante Padarthah Asminniti….). God is beyond all the words and cannot be the understood meaning of any word and therefore, logic cannot touch God.

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

dattaswami2 | Sat, 01/31/2009 - 15:05