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To know or have an insight into the structure of psyche is enlightenment.

Knowing does not take time.

There could be partial knowing and then a complete insight. No particular stage of partial knowing is a prerequisite for total insight.

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Enlightenment has much more

Enlightenment has much more to do than knowing or insight and the psyche is so marginal for the enlightened.

That perspective of enlightenment is of the mind that has no clue what enlightenment really is.

seeker | Tue, 10/28/2014 - 08:22
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We could explore. There are two kinds of knowing. To have a total insight of the psyche is to go beyond it.

What is your view?

joejo | Wed, 10/29/2014 - 14:20
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What is enlightenment?

What is enlightenment? Do I even need that word? Perhaps "enlightenment" is the only word I need, throw out all the rest. That would make "enlightenment" of ultimate importance. But what is it? How will I know when I've found it?

If I lived alone on a desert island, would the term "enlightenment" even matter. Would it have any meaning?

Second hand knowledge will not do. I have to find out first hand, by myself. Maybe enlightenment is like chasing a rainbow, and I'll never catch it. Am I enlightened now? Am I unenlightened now? That's what I need to know.

I know that I am, I've always known. Am I enlightened? That I don't know.

Christmas | Sat, 11/01/2014 - 01:30
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Know Thyself

“Wisdom begins with wonder,” said Socrates. Through dialogue, he led his audience to passionate inquiry of existence and identity. His speech maintained a humble tone, claiming, to the surprise of his listeners, that he knew nothing. In his mind, one could not know anything without knowing one’s self. Thus, the Seven Sages of Greece, who had inscribed know thyself in the forecourt of the Delphic oracle a few generations before Socrates, had challenged all subsequent philosophers to attain self-knowledge before knowing anything else. Socrates embraced this ancient challenge humbly:
I am not yet able, as the Delphic inscription has it, to know myself; so it seems to me ridiculous, when I do not yet know that, to investigate irrelevant things.

Care first about the greatest perfection of the soul.

“What I want to discover at present,” said Socrates, “is the art which devotes its attention to precision, exactness, and the fullest truth.” His philosophical inquiry was, therefore, dedicated to truth, foremost the truth about himself. By publicly admitting his self-ignorance, he made his audience aware of their own.


joejo | Sat, 11/01/2014 - 02:06
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To be, or not to be.

To be, or not to be. That was the question. We know that we are, "I am", consciousness now. Did I have this knowledge a hundred years ago, will I have this knowledge a hundred years from now?

"What am I?" That is the real question. "Who" we know, "what" we don't know. I-am-Consciousness observes all that undergoes change. The changeless eternal can't be observed by consciousness, therefore can't be known. The changeless eternal is real. All else is like a passing dream.

Christmas | Sat, 11/01/2014 - 08:36
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anatta, or anatman

What about what Buddha said anatta, or anatman?

joejo | Sat, 11/01/2014 - 10:49
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What about what Buddha said anatta, or anatman?

What about Buddha? You have to be there to know the greatest of Buddha, God, the world, universe.

Without you being there, how can you agree or disagree about what Buddha said?

You are the source of your world. Everything comes back to you, Consciousness-of-Being.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention!

Christmas | Sat, 11/01/2014 - 20:40
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The Brahmakara-Vritti

The Brahmakara-Vritti

The brahmakara-vritti is the highest expansion of the mind into the Infinite Nature of the Absolute, where the mind is withdrawn from the perception of plurality and duality and is fixed in the perception of the Infinite. It is the supreme state of the mind, the stoppage of all its modifications, where it takes the form of unlimited existence, spaceless and timeless, where nothing exists besides the limitless expanse of Consciousness. It is not a mere feeling of a state of Infinity but a positive immediateness where the thinking subject expands into the Infinite. There is a vanishing of individuality altogether, and there is the cognition of the Essence. It is the spiritual eye, the intuitional vision, obtained through the repeated practice of Absolute-Affirmation. It is the last vritti or psychosis, whose object is its own infinite form, which is not supported by anything else, which has nothing external, which rests solely on the power of its potential and actual contents. Even this experience is to be transcended by the Absolute-Experience which is the Goal of even the brahmakara-vritti, where the vritti destroys itself by itself on account of the exhaustion of its contents through experience, and exists in Identity with the Absolute. Brahma-samstho-amritatvameti:

“He, who is established in Brahman, attains Immortality.” —Chh. Up., II. 23.

The Realisation of the Absolute

A Treatise on the Vedanta Philosophy and Its Methodology
by Swami Krishnananda

joejo | Sun, 11/02/2014 - 02:06
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Re: Brahmakara

This seems like something you've read, vs. experiencing or realized. Books aren't It, no matter how we respect their authority. Intellectualizing isn't It. Brahman, God, Buddha; what has that got to do with you? If you drop the books, will you remain? Who and what are you?

Christmas | Sun, 11/02/2014 - 02:29
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Many I's

“Man has no individual i. But there are, instead, hundreds and thousands of separate small "i"s, very often entirely unknown to one another, never coming into contact, or, on the contrary, hostile to each other, mutually exclusive and incompatible. Each minute, each moment, man is saying or thinking, "i". And each time his i is different. just now it was a thought, now it is a desire, now a sensation, now another thought, and so on, endlessly. Man is a plurality. Man's name is legion.”

― G.I. Gurdjieff

joejo | Sun, 11/02/2014 - 03:28
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Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth--all these I thus declare to be knowledge, and what is contrary to these is ignorance.
Gita 13.8 to 13.12

joejo | Sun, 11/02/2014 - 03:30
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Knowledge is Within

“The goal of mankind is knowledge ... Now this knowledge is inherent in man. No knowledge comes from outside: it is all inside. What we say a man 'knows', should, in strict psychological language, be what he 'discovers' or 'unveils'; what man 'learns' is really what he discovers by taking the cover off his own soul, which is a mine of infinite knowledge.”

Swami Vivekananda

joejo | Sun, 11/02/2014 - 03:42
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The Heart, not the heart chakra but the core of our energy (being) is considered to be the Sun and Knowing consciousness located in the head is the Moon.

The passage from Heart to Mind is closed. When this passage is opened then an energy directly feeds the Knowing mind which then does not have to depend on thinking and associations.

In the absence of energy from Heart a tyrant as if takes control and draws energy for its own purpose from external stimuli. All the thinking process goes on in sleep in absence of Sun.

joejo | Tue, 11/04/2014 - 16:45
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Tyrant & transformation

In the absence of energy from Heart a tyrant as if takes control and draws energy for its own purpose from external stimuli. All the thinking process goes on in sleep in absence of Sun.

Realisation is not an experience. There has to be a withdrawal of energy which causes a revolt and the tyrant acquiesces thereby a new Govt is put in place.

There are different methods advocated to 'cut off the head' yet as with all the methods the result matters and not the method. Participation of our emotional being in the conscious task that we choose for our transformation is by far the best even though it may so appear that no visible change has taken place over a long period of time.

joejo | Tue, 11/04/2014 - 16:56
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Tyrant and transformation

Clearly you think you have it all figured out and are acting in the role of teacher or guru. To me, what you write seems like the accumulation of everything you've read plus your own interpretation. In other words, it doesn't come across as your own first hand experience or realization. When it is authentically your own realization, people will know, maybe many, many people. They'll read whatever you write or say and it will be fresh, original, although it has already been said a thousand times over by realized gurus down through the ages.

As to cutting off the head, our heads are already cut off. How else could the world appear in this headless space? Unless thy eye be single.

Christmas | Wed, 11/05/2014 - 04:55
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Judge Not

Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

joejo | Wed, 11/05/2014 - 08:28
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Juedge not

You see, the endless quoting of others is all I'm pointing out to you. You don't see, do you. It has nothing to do with judging, brother, it just the facts. Good luck to you and yours, I wish you well.

Christmas | Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:58
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What Is

Yes, get your point. But what is your point?

joejo | Thu, 11/06/2014 - 05:06