Emptiness and depression

yeshcheraz's picture



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I think that the feeling of emptiness is a derivative of depression. The mind which tries to suppress the depression leaves a void, i.e. the emptiness is empty of feeling of depression.

What do you think?



joejo's picture

Shunyata or Emptiness

I am not be too sure if emptiness is a result of suppressing depression but am sure that in Buddhist thought Sunyata or Emptiness is a totally different thing. Briefly put it denotes the lack of "is"-ness or essential nature in objects.

It is a wonderful concept because thought likes to cling to various things of its imagination which are really empty. Philosophically speaking too the definition of Reality is that which lasts for ever and not that which meets with modification and death. Viewed with this criteria all seen things are devoid of reality or Empty.

joejo | Mon, 03/15/2010 - 15:19
yeshcheraz's picture

Feeling of emptiness

There is the feeling of emptiness and there is the concept of emptiness (that things are empty of "thingness", that they do not exist as independent entities, this is the Buddhist Shunyata). These are two different things but they relate at some way.

I meant the feeling of emptiness. The terrible fear of it is discussed in http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/fear-emptiness.

yeshcheraz | Mon, 03/15/2010 - 19:43
joejo's picture

Emptiness not a Concept

To those that realised Emptiness it was not a concept. If treated as a concept it may be frightening and cause a feeling of emptiness if practiced as a concept.

Feeling of emptiness may not be due to suppression of depression as you cannot do much in that state of illness. Pl check out the link below as to what is depression.

http://www.psychologyinfo.com/depression/description.html

joejo | Tue, 03/16/2010 - 01:12
zoya's picture

It cannot be anything but a concept

Of course it is a concept including for those who realize it. Otherwise we couldn't discuss it. Being a concept doesn't mean that it is untrue and in any case even for those who feel they have realized it, it remains a concept as any perception or realization is still mediated by the senses and mind and when there is nothing perceived or realized there is not even emptiness, even the concept of emptiness is not there anymore.

I also believe that the feeling of emptiness is due to something suppressed and according to my experience, usually hard feelings and depressions. It is still in the emotional realm. It is important not to stick to it some favorable spiritual interpretations. It is the same feeling an addict feels when he/she is out of the drug. The drug in our cases is whatever entertainment the mind consumes: romantic love, sex, interest, intellect, theories, words, food and so on.

zoya | Tue, 03/16/2010 - 09:56
sadie's picture

keep an open mind, stay

keep an open mind, stay present and up right, try to empty your daily thoughts before entering the tee pee, focus on the fire! prepare for a duel with the false self (ego) and enjoy the presence of the ancestors. Aho!

sadie | Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:05
joejo's picture

Description is not the Described

We will have to understand the difference between the two kinds of knowledge. If one has seen New York he could describe it in words. This knowledge has direct experience as the base but on the other hand someone uses his faculty of imagination to understand when he has not seen it as a fact. In the absence of direct experience he has to apply conjecture which could be far from truth in case of Spiritual Realisations as there is no datum to compare it with.

It is a well known fact that conception of a formless and attribute-less God is frightening to many. One has to remember description is not the described.

joejo | Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:39
dank's picture

positive and negative feeling of emptiness

It can be.

It is usually a sign that something painful is suppressed. It can be depression, it can be mental pains of all kinds.

In spiritual therapies of Riktam Kantu and others, it is generally according to the following:

If the feeling of emptiness triggers a positive and tranquil mental reaction, it is the rock bottom of experience, it is the mental representation of shunyata, of the concept of nothingness.

If the feeling of emptiness triggers a negative and agitated mental reaction, it is a sign that mental things are concealed below and are blocked from erupting. Keep on digging into unconsciousness.

dank | Fri, 03/19/2010 - 17:30
nitasha's picture

depression must be treated

What ever your intellectual belief, if one is feeling emptiness , and one is NOT WITH A GURU , in the true sence, then , one must visit a doctor. straight away.
And if one is with ones Guru , and the Guru blesses us with 'emptiness' , then that is PURE BLISS, even when it lasts for few micro seconds.
judge for your own self , or ask your Guru .
sweetie

nitasha | Tue, 03/23/2010 - 04:04
Malini's picture

Emptiness

Emptiness or sunyata is not a concept; neither is it a depression. Depression is characterized by feeing generated by the absence of what the mind wants achieve, gain. Depression is cause by ones desire for something in future, depression is a psychological state where there is a tension between where one is and where one really wants to be. You are not happy as it is, you are longing for something, and that longing causes depression. It has nothing to do with emptiness; emptiness is full, there is no experience of future and past in emptiness. It is all in the present, and the present is always in its fullness. where fullness is there, there is emptiness; Where emptiness is there, one will experience fullness and there is no place for depression.
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Malini

Malini | Wed, 03/31/2010 - 05:40
Matakokiri's picture

Emptiness

Emptiness is often mis-understood.

If you are meaning, the original topic starter is feeling empty because they do not have a GURU. It is a nice gesture, yet it is also a very novice expression, for two reasons.

Individuals do not NEED Guru's to exist or understand " feelings of emptiness", or to embrace PURE BLISS. Guru's are gifts, and come in many forms. They are not needed for any paths for spiritual growth or betterment. They are like great signs on the road of life, the indicators they are not the life itself.

A guru is not the bearer of your fulfillment in happiness, this task is solely your own responsibility and not anyone else's.

To place such a self appointed task onto another being, is denial of one's own responsibility to ones own spiritual path and Will and Choice.

Matakokiri | Sun, 01/30/2011 - 01:49
Matakokiri's picture

Emptiness & Depression

Emptiness has no feeling.
This is how I perceive emptiness. Yet I can see how when we are feeling, with emotions of chaos, we can feel or think like there is nothing there, or a void as you say. But this is not true emptiness or a void, emptiness and voids are not temporary, like emotions or feelings that are of chaos or isolation are temporary or passing [ yes some slower than others.]

We create reasonings for depression, they are not the answers we can give ourselves to get through depression or to access to the tools we have to allow depression to pass and be it's temporary state.

Voids or emptiness, can be seen as anchoring terminology that do not enable betterment in thinking. I think they are used as a ruse, and anchor, they are slotted circles into a square. This is why I see emptiness is not derivative of depression. Depression and emotional denial go hand and hand, it is a form of avoidance to the issues.

So the suppression you talk about, is not leaving a void, it is a creation of an interpreted void / or emptiness. ...

that is my moment of interpretations - e

Matakokiri | Sun, 01/30/2011 - 01:39
IllusionOfTheSelf's picture

From my perception there is

From my perception there is no difference between depression and emptiness, every emotion is connected I suppose you could say. There is no factual logic one can give to think a certain way. In everything are constant variations and transitions, that is all. Of course again that is my perception, my opinion, my thought form...

IllusionOfTheSelf | Sun, 02/27/2011 - 03:54
Isha's picture

Emptiness

May I suggest, once on the spiritual path you cannot turn back but must pursue your goal with all the offerings of life changing bliss, liberation etc. it has to offer. Emptiness is when you hit the material world and again search there for the future when it lies in the spiritual realm where there is eternity. There must be a point of compromise between the two but that too lies in the spiritual.

Isha | Sun, 05/15/2011 - 09:38
smeher's picture

Emptiness vs Depression

Emptiness vs Depression, these both Words are Unique Feelings & Expressions.

For an Enlighten Soul it is said that Soul has Become the Self Guru & that person is one with Lord.

Emptiness is the one where there is no more worldy requirements for a soul but only GOD which is required. where the part of " Self Guru " comes into picture which leads a human to path of lord.

Depression is the one where the Human Soul is full of desire which gets tired due to failures or pains or prarabdha of life.

However whatever expressions we discuss here is not at all possible unless lord wish us to get that in our life times.

Lord decides what he will give us ,we just experience (karma ) it.

smeher | Wed, 06/22/2011 - 14:52
Lorster's picture

It Depends

Emptiness of mind or emptiness from mind? The mind can cause depression for a variety of reasons. Meditation's goal is for emptiness of mind which is the cause of joy. Depression is experienced through the mind. Join a Transcendental Meditation class to learn how to quiet the mind to lead a joyful life. Do a Google search on it.

Lorster | Thu, 08/16/2018 - 05:50