Death and then what.......

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Introduction From Wanda Pratnicka

Before coming into the world, as souls we make a plan for our upcoming life. The plan organizes the options for us so we go through life's lessons in the most effective way. It contains the smallest details of our future existence, e.g. the places where we will be living, the people we'll be taking our lessons with, our appearance at various ages, or emergency options - for ending our life, in case out plan is too ambitious.

At the moment of our birth, at a conscious level we forget about the plan, but at deeper levels the soul remembers everything. The soul also decides when and how it will end its incarnation. Even at the moment of death it has a choice, either to stay in its physical body and try to resolve its problem, or to die. Death doesn't come of its own volition. It is the soul that makes the decision when to die, where to go, which direction to take. It has free will and nobody can make the decision for it.

When the soul decides to depart and a person dies, the consciousness realizes with surprise that it is still alive. It still possesses an energetic body even though the physical body is mourned over and buried in the earth. This fact may remain unnoticed by the consciousness. It sees itself just as it did during life - it sees, it hears, it feels the heat, the cold, it feels thirst.

On leaving the body, the soul notices around itself loving souls which died earlier and which are now waiting to greet it and lead it on a further journey. Also waiting are our spiritual mentors whom we love. We recognize them easily. At this critical moment no soul is left to its own devices, no soul if deprived of help. There is a magnificent, ceremonial atmosphere full of joyful anticipation before the start of a great journey. Now the soul, free of earthly matters, assisted by loving beings slowly moves in the direction of the Light radiating love and happiness. It feels safe because it knows that it is loved and expected. Souls which were exhausted by sickness at the moment of death, or were unconscious or semi-conscious because, for example, they were given powerful painkillers, receive special help now. It can be compared with the medical help one gets here on Earth. Its purpose is to restore strength to the soul to enable it to continue its journey.

Why do some souls stay behind?

Unfortunately, most souls that have left their physical bodies don't pass straight through death's curtain to the other side. Worse still, the number of souls left suspended between Heaven and Earth, souls which for a variety of reasons declined to go to God, is constantly increasing. There are many reasons for this and I shall talk about each of them in turn.
The most important factor is that after death, these souls either don't know or don't believe that they died. For them nothing has changed. They missed their own deaths and they think they're still alive. They are unaware of the fact that they could go to the Light. They assume that they are alive and therefore belong to the Earth.(...)

One of the reasons I decided to write this book was that I wanted to communicate this knowledge and to help us understand things which are of such importance to us all. My task is to help readers prepare themselves and their loved ones for passing through death's curtain to the other side. We shall all, sooner or later, have to face up to the issue of our own deaths.
In Eastern cultures talking about death, about what awaits us afterward, is perfectly normal, an everyday thing. Even small children take part. This attitude means that death does not come as a surprise. This awareness protects the dying as well as those who remain in this life. It would be useful to have this custom introduced into Western culture. There would be far fewer solitary, wandering ghosts not knowing what to do with themselves, finding no help from anywhere in what is to them an incomprehensible situation.(...)

Some souls are severely confused long before their deaths. When they come through death they're incapable of recognizing their true states. These tend to be the incurably sick who have been treated with powerful pain killers, as well as drug addicts and alcoholics. The mind of a sick person receiving painkillers is comparable to the mind of a drug addict. Even long after death they're incapable of being themselves. Even when they recover their senses they still lack knowledge about life after death.(...)

The next reason why souls don't go to the Light is that they're afraid of being punished for what they did. Sometimes their sins are minor, but during their lives they believed in a cruel, vengeful and punitive God. Now they feel unworthy of receiving forgiveness. Even though waiting for them at the moment of death there is a magnificent escort consisting of their spiritual guides and dear ones who died before them as well as the loving Light, they turn away and refuse to go further. They do not believe that God could forgive them their sins. This comes from the fact that they were unable to forgive them themselves.(...)

The next very large group of abiding ghosts are the souls who during life did not believe in God and therefore had no-one to go to after death. They thought that life finishes in the grave, after which all that awaits is the abyss, nothingness. Other souls believed very deeply in God but thought they would lie in their graves till the day of the "Last Judgment" and only then would they rise up from the dead and go to "Heaven". They have, therefore, become victims of what they believed in or specifically of what their religion told them to believe in. They now feel deceived, not knowing what to do with themselves. Should they wait for the Judgment? For punishment? But where? In the grave? They live on, so they can't wait in abeyance. They've ascertained all this only after death when it is a little too late. You'll ask: "Too late to do what?" To go to the Light. It was at the moment of physical death that they should have decided where they would go.(...)

Probably the largest group of souls remaining in the world of ghosts after death are all those who during their lives were so attached to earthly matters that they're incapable of freeing themselves from them. These matters can be material or non-material. It can be a house, a car or other possessions. Everyone has surely heard of haunted houses and the ghosts that terrorize them. Others loved to eat, drink, take drugs, indulge in sex or gamble to excess. Others again were too fond of making decisions for their near and dear ones, butting into everything so now they find it too hard to surrender their authority.
Another reason for ghosts to remain is a desire to put right the errors they made during their lives so far. They think that by staying on this side they will have an opportunity to mend what they did badly. (...)

Some souls find it hard to leave the Earth because they've left someone who, in their opinion, should be looked after; these might be a parent of a small child, or a solicitous child with elderly and lonely parents and so on.(...)

The souls described above remain on the Earth because that is the decision they took. There is, however, a large number of souls who would dearly like to pass through to the other side, to "Heaven", but are prevented from doing so by the despair of their dear ones. These souls are torn between their own good and the good of those they left. They may even be aware that it would be better for everyone if they did leave, but the living won't let them. We must remember, therefore, even during mourning and despite our sorrow, to think of those who have a right to leave. We do so in order not to harm ourselves or them.(...)
Wanda Pratnicka

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Omkaradatta's picture

New age?

This sounds like new age belief... according to advaita, there are multiple bodies/minds, but only one Soul. I think this is where 'new age' gets it wrong. Death is not a concern in the first place, because the Soul is deathless. Only the body/mind dies, so we relinquish our attachment in this lifetime.

Beyond this, there is no question of death at all. There is only Life. Granted, it doesn't leave much of anything interesting to talk about ;-).

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 04:40
dhorai's picture

death and then what!

dear ravi,
i cannot read big stanzas nowdays because of having silence habit....

i too blog with long gaps.....

but i have seen reality....
after real clinical death....
one wonder with souls of their character....
if they are lucky to have guardian angels with them at time of death its ok....

now lets see further....
the puranas were not fault...
the cat womans of fashion tv many were born as cats before born as humans....

similarly every human 90 percent according to animal behind them....
swami ramdev was many times born as dog...
sachin tendulkar as lion...
so on.....

but heir are souls with high mission like pandit jawahar lal nehru they are given more programming job befroe born by elite souls......

like praksh mani ji see is in my agnya chakra she is not born again....

so my agnya chakra is parandamam one suppose....

many are born as crows etc etc....

but their is a state called living death.....

that can be acheived by thinking of death with every sleep....
u become a gjani...
with love

dhorai | Thu, 12/18/2008 - 19:02
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death and then what

nehru elite soul ?
baba ramdev many time was dog birth ?
wherever did u get that from dhorai ? this is just the projection of your mind...check it out...try will get the right answer and not the answer of your mind...

NeoNeo | Wed, 03/25/2009 - 17:00
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but only one Soul...

That is my belief too. I have no separate soul from the soul of God. All I have that is mine alone is my ego, including all my knowledge and memories which have been accumulated during my lifetime.

When I die, my ego has served its purpose and dies with me, a real and permanent death with no resurrection nor reincarnation to follow.

I also see such ideas as resurrection and reincarnation as motivated by the fear of death. That fear is an understandable necessity for the ego, but it can be thrown off, and will be if and when God wills.

Such fear is only possible for the unenlightened.

gurthbruins | Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:55
kalgo's picture

And then maybe nothing...

Wrapped in whatever spiritual and religious advanced approach, anything said about after death is mere theory-based speculative entertainment of the mind that serves the calming of the great fear of annihilation.

A true seeker is one who is brave enough to be honest with himself to admit that it is a theory and to cope with the uncertain nature of it as being a such.

There is a not less valid possibility that we are just a sprouting hologram from a physical apparatus to be extinguished at a certain point - like an operating system or any program running on some hardware computer. Denying this possibility (just as a possibility) is an ignorant self deception.

kalgo | Sat, 01/31/2009 - 12:19
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the uncertain

I agree that we should all be brave enough to admit the uncertainty of everything.

That does not prevent belief. Belief does not imply certainty.
When I cross the road, I believe that I will reach the other side, but I am not certain.

My uncertainty is no barrier to action. At bottom, all that concerns us is our actions. Actions include our thoughts, feelings, and beliefs of the moment. (Believing and feeling are not passive processes, but active ones).

gurthbruins | Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:06
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Death and then what.......

Why we should think about death,the birth and death are not in our hand & who has seen/know what is after death.
In this life we are here and can only improve our self and can progress in the Divine path,death is certain and after that no one can tell you.

madan_gautam | Thu, 03/26/2009 - 04:54
gurthbruins's picture

Why we should think about death

I agree that we should Not think about death, not too much anyway: there is really no need to fear it at all.

Death is tomorrow and Jesus says take no thought for the morrow. Even the I Ching says "act in accordance with the needs of the time", and the time it is talking about is Now.

I agree fully with you madan_gautam.

gurthbruins | Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:52
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Hi Mr.Ravi, good

Hi Mr.Ravi, good description, which a common man can easily understands. Thanks for your work.


Mastercvvyoga | Sun, 08/02/2009 - 07:15
RandomStu | Mon, 08/03/2009 - 15:44
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

I Need Meditation In Some Areas!

You call disembodied entities souls but my comprehension is souls are unions of material form, energy and consciousness. There is a consciousness of the material form [our senses] and one for the energy. Our main purpose for being on earth, the realm of duality, is to integrate those 2 consciousnesses until we are able to function as energy or matter alone, or both simultaneously. Supposedly Jesus had them integrated until his discarnating on the cross and reintegrated them after his resurrection.

You opening I concur with except all ghosts chooses their incarnating lots based on the karma for their time-line [sequence the ghost incarnates from the first incarnation until it complete everlasting life ]. There are about 700 million ghosts entering earth's plane for the first time during the intervals between civilization, replacing that number who have evolved to man and graduating to the next plane. They are the ones we mostly interact with, along with others on our own time-line, for karma's sake.

The specifics of why ghosts do not go into rest [cross over] I will have to meditate on what you presented, it appears correct but that is the first time I have heard it therefore I must get confirmation from my heart. However, I do know we all have to experience our times of not crossing over. Thank you for that information.
Have you questioned your beliefs? Reason the different concepts until all pros and cons are integrated into the 64,800 degrees of your vision.
--Elijah "NatureBoy"--

Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 03/06/2010 - 22:04
Mohan Singh's picture

What After Death

I dont think if it is possible for anyone to say what happens after death.Nobody has returned after death to tell us about the fate of souls after death. All that has been said is based on speculation and imagination.We should not worry about what will happen to us after we pass away.Let us live our life in a blissful state and the after life will take care of itself.

Mohan Singh | Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:50
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You are completely wrong.

There are numerous testimonies, verifications etc. Read the book "the Holographic Universe" for example.

mariposa | Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:04
Mohan Singh's picture

Could you giveme a single

Could you giveme a single scientifically proven evidence of what happens when one passes away??.Itis just a hypthetical assumption that cannot stand the test of reality. The whole thing is shrouded in mystery that can be solved after we leave this world for an unknown zone about which we know nothing because we have not gone there ourselves.I donot believe in hearsay. Sorry !

Mohan Singh | Fri, 04/15/2011 - 15:57
mariposa's picture

Of course not

Of course not. In asking for such scientifically proven evidence lies your fundamental misconception. Science is based on mind's logic and body's senses. How can then science deal with that which is beyond the physical plane (i.e. not expressed in the inputs of the senses) and which is contradictory to mind's logic?!

Consciously or unconsciously you rely on that science the same way a Christian relies on the new testament. You take science to be the truth while it is a fact nowadays that it is erroneous, changing and self contradictory (Newton Mechanics vs. Quantum Mechanisc etc.). You trust science the same way a Rama lover trusts Rama. Bust still with one important difference: The Rama lover is still aware that his judgement is based just on trust, not on absolute truth. I suspect that you are not aware of that regarding science.

mariposa | Fri, 04/15/2011 - 16:52
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After Death, Reincarnation!

I believe something similar to your opening, that prior to incarnating we see every detail of our lives, including discarnation. Afterward, there's usually a time to reflect on our past lives which our next life will depend on for creating and balancing karma, everything on this material plane is about karma and reincarnation until our metamorphosis [New Birth] makes us eternal beings.

All ghosts or lifeforces have to maintain a ghostly time at some stage during a discarnation, it is imperative that every lifeforce get to experience every type experience all others do. That's also determined prior to one's preceding incarnation. The purpose for taking on the body is to experience everything possible on this material plane for embedding that information into the lifeforce that once it metamorphose it will remember every life type it has incarnated as for having the ability to transform into them at will and back, the meaning of dominion in Genesis 1:26 & 28 of the Bible, "to exceed the ability of".

There's nothing to explain what happens upon completing the metamorphosis in fulfilling our transition from the material to the next plane of existence, everything we have is pointing to what happens here on earth.

The NDE (Near Death Experiences) and OBE (Out'a Body Experiences) happen to reveal to us discarnating isn't the end nor judgment as western religion teaches. Opposed to the accepted definition, religion isn't a belief in god but a way of life which teaches one the purpose for existence therefore we are required to live every possible experience on earth.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"-- Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 11/10/2011 - 13:14
MAI's picture

Good Lord...!!!

Good Lord,
Is this for real..??
What all the mind cooks up, its amazing
and beyond comprehension.


MAI | Thu, 11/08/2012 - 03:22
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

The Mind Is The Bottomless Pit

Mia, you sound like the tipical Christian believing in one life and then a judgment. Does that make since when the Bible suggests the things which has been shall return again and what is shall come to pass, that there is nothing new under the sun. How do you account for that?

The physical mind is able to cook up unlimited concepts based upon one's beliefs and conditioning by certain civilizations. It is written all things in existence are comprehensible and explainable by words, the problem is man has to grow to the stage where they eliminate the doss from truth. That happens once we see we are not the body but are manifested as the body.

Once that happens one sees there isn't much difference between living entities and then we recognize our minds are the bottomless pit without limits in our imagination.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:13
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Dear Elijah "NatureBoy", You

Dear Elijah "NatureBoy",

You said :

{The physical mind is able to cook up unlimited concepts based upon one's beliefs and conditioning by certain civilizations. It is written all things in existence are comprehensible and explainable by words, the problem is man has to grow to the stage where they eliminate the doss from truth. That happens once we see we are not the body but are manifested as the body.

Once that happens one sees there isn't much difference between living entities and then we recognize our minds are the bottomless pit without limits in our imagination.}

--{The physical mind is able to cook up unlimited concepts ...}

--{... man has to grow to the stage where they eliminate the doss from truth.}

And I said :

--{...What all the mind cooks up, its amazing
and beyond comprehension.}

We're both saying the same thing...!!!

{ sound like the tipical Christian believing in one life and then a judgment. }

Dont mistake me, I speak from where I stand now.
I was born a hindu, but fortunately was spared conditioning of religious belief systems. Not that I was unaware of them.

Deep in meditation, at the feet my guru, were revealed 9 previous births. A poet saint, a freedom fighter, a writer, a bengali housewife...

I also went through an out of body sublime..!!

So real,then, so surreal, now. And I dont discount any of those experience.

It was an awakening from identification with the body.
Everything is valid...till it isn't, anymore...!!

Then I started questioning it all...what the point was...
Was I then doomed to keep incarnating, again and again..inspite of having realised my true nature in each and everyone of those births..?? What's up ? I asked my guru.

And then:

"man has to grow to the stage where they eliminate the doss from truth".Like you said.
"Once that happens one sees there isn't much difference between living entities and then we recognize our minds are the bottomless pit without limits in our imagination."

Which is what I meant when I said :

"What all the mind cooks up, its amazing
and beyond comprehension".

I now speak from this standpoint.

And you're right, we're all liable to fall into the pit of being judgemental,with the limited information we have at hand. And that's ok too.

In the scheme of things.


MAI | Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:32
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Dearest Mia,

What you wrote, so very limited, had a Christian judmental sound to it. That is how I was raised and when we wanted to express how something is not within our belief we said something like "What all the mind cooks up, its amazing and beyond comprehension" to express it. It was from that "Christian" vantage point I wrote that. Now that you have explained yourself, we're in agreement.

Truth & Peace to you,
Elijah, aka, "NatureBoy"

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 11/08/2012 - 19:25
MAI's picture

Nothing is ever out of place

Dear Elijah "NatureBoy,

Like I said,"In the scheme of things",nothing is ever out of place.

Not what I said, and not what you said..hahaha.
Had I not said what I did, you wouldn't have said what you did, prompting me to say things, I've hardly ever opened my mouth about to anyone in the last 20 odd years.

It's time had come.

All is as it is.

By the way I loved watching your link to the indian girl { forgotten her name } who had the out-of-body, experience.
We're all being led to the truth in various fashions.


MAI | Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:07
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Again We Agree.

Again we are in agreement.

I don't remember names so well either but I know who you are speaking about, I thought some people would find it interesting.

We do all have different paths to truth, no two people follow the same path at the beginning but once truth is realized we find ourselves with the same realilzation.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @

Elijah_NatureBoy | Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:26
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after death

After death, the souls of all humans will be in a resting place, waiting for the great White Throne Judgement of Christ. After Christ's second coming, the time of which is uncertain, all these souls will enter their mortal bodies and will undergo the judgement. It is here that they will be sorted as good and bad according to their doings on earth and will be further designated to go to heaven or hell.

chris_2012 | Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:52
atlantis's picture

These are just fairy tales,

These are just fairy tales, cultural book stories, they are valid as Cinderella and Marry Poppins.

We are looking for direct experiences, not childish legends that have no grounds except of the fact that someone wrote them and that are intended to control the masses using fear and guilt.

Leave the cultural-based give-and-take fear-based speculations and dive into yourself to find the true answers.

atlantis | Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:05
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Fairy Tales Are Metaphors of Truth.

There are no accidents in eistence, everything is by design and has a purpose. Once we realize that fact we are opened to see the intent of what is written and not just the letter of the words. However, that all depends on where a person is in their evolutionary process which determines if they will be opened to receive the messages or not. What you are saying suggest you are, so to speak, a fairly new soul on earth and have many more incarnations to evolve through bfore it's your time for enlightenment.

Peace and Joy to you,
--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @

Elijah_NatureBoy | Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:37
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That's Traditional Christianity, Not Scriptural.

Maybe you're one of those the Bible said it, I belileve it and that's enough Christians although what you said isn't what's written. Because the Bible doesn't use the word reincarnation but only say things discribing it, most Christians don't confess the belief in it although it's all over the book.

If Christians had faith as discribed in Hebrews 11:1 they would read things lke Gretchen,I am: Carroll E Jay or Many Lives, Many Masters - By Brian L. Weiss to find the meaning to many biblical teachngs, even what most of the time resurrection means.

One thing most Christians dont't realize is everything on earth repeats itself cycle after cycle exactly the same way (Genesis 1:14, Ecclesiastes 1:9 & Revelation 17:11) is why it speaks about whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Revelation 17:8). That means the saved life-forces always wear the same name cycle after cycle because of reaping and sowing (1 Corinthains 13:9-10), something Christians talk about but doesn't reason with (Psalms 1).

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:21
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your comment

The Bible has taught me that the Holy Spirit is the best teacher of it or any spiritual matter. So those who have faith in God do not have to refer to the so-called books which you have spoken of. Those who have the anointing of the Holy Spirit are taught by it on how to interpret the scriptures in the Bible and how to understand and to act in a particular situation. A person without this anointing, even if he or she is a Christian, cannot explain the Bible or any spiritual matter correctly. I have this anointing and I priase God for it.

chris_2012 | Sat, 11/10/2012 - 10:31
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Define Holy Spirit!

If you have the holy spirit can you define it? Is there a differece between Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost? When one is born of the spirit one has a testimony describing their conception, gestation, trivial, what happened when they were born, their babyhood, childhood, adolescence and adulthood, if there be any, so do you have that type of testimony? If yes, may I read it because those are things spirit teaches everyone who are "born of it."

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:49
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your comment

The Holy Spirit is the 3rd person in the holy trinity. The 1st 2 are the father (the Almighty God) and the son (Jesus Christ). The Holy Spirit shows us the right spiritual path and advises us on how to walk in it. It also shows us what is evil and what is good. It gives us advice on how to overcome evil powers and how to stay in God's will and to get his blessings and favour. The Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are the same. Yes, indeed, I have a marvellous testimony which I would like to share with you. The Holy Spirit has indeed taught me many things which I did not know. If you provide me your email ID, I'll share it there, as this is a public site.

chris_2012 | Mon, 11/12/2012 - 10:29
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Holy Ghost/Spirit!

There is a big deifference in holy ghost and holy spirit.

Holy is a changed form of whole shorten to holy to give is a religious conotation but means complete just as whole does. Jesus [Yeshua] said "the Comforter… the Holy Ghost… the Father will send… shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance…" (John 14:26). Yeshua, after his OBE [Out'a Body Experience or Resurrection], was a whole man who functioned as ghosts do. He disappeared (Luke 24:13-31) and appear at will (24:36), could be handled (24:39), entered locked rooms without going through doors (John 20:26) and ate as any man (21:13), thus a holy ghost is a whole man who can function like ghosts.

Since Yeshua was the rod from the stem of Jesse (Isaiah 11:1) sent to the Jews only the branch from Jesse's roots, who is sent to the gentiles (Isaiah 11:10), shall be the revealing holy ghost, after fulfilling Matthew 12:40. He then becomes the third person of the trinity, Moses was the first person, Yeshua the second and the second advent will be the third (Exodus 4:6-8).

The best biblical definnition of holy spirit is John 1:1-3, it's the verbal means of explaining everything throughout existence shortened to the intended explanation of all things. Once a person have it they see the purpose for everything happening on earth, doesn't judge them but realizes why they happens in the cycle they follow.

If you don't want to write your testimony here for everyone to read then send it to me using the link, which should now be actuaved below, or at the bottom of my homepage of my website in my signature where you can find 2 email addresses and send it to me there. My testimony is called THE BOOK OF ELIJAH:A LETTER TO THE WORLD on my site.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:09
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Please explain

What are the eleven dimensions and how can I visit them?

Higiuyama | Thu, 02/18/2016 - 12:19