Awareness did not exist before creation

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Awareness did not exist before creation

You can say ‘the awareness of God’ but you cannot say that God is awareness. The reason for this is that the awareness observed in living beings is a form of inert energy working in nervous system. Before the creation, space cannot exist, since space is the first item of creation, which is the first subtle form of inert energy. Therefore, before creation neither materialized nervous system nor inert energy can exist. In such case, the generation of awareness is unimaginable. Even if you assume that the awareness was generated from some unimaginable source, the awareness, which is a work form of inert energy, cannot exist before creation. Since space is the first form of inert energy, in the absence of space, there cannot be existence of inert energy. If the inert energy was absent before creation, how can you say that awareness, which is a form of inert energy existed before the creation? In such case, you have to conclude that both the source of awareness and awareness itself are unimaginable. Instead of two unimaginable items, it is always better to say that one unimaginable item existed. Then, the conclusion is that the unimaginable source (God) existed and His will, which is awareness, must be the first form of inert energy that was created even before the space. But, without space, inert energy can never exist. Since space is needed for the waves to propagate or for the fundamental particles of inert energy, which alone is transformed into awareness or will.

To avoid the two unimaginable items, even if you say that the unimaginable God Himself is the unimaginable will or awareness, then also, your purpose is not served, since the unimaginable awareness cannot be the imaginable awareness that is seen in the living beings. Moreover, when you say that something is unimaginable, how can you say that it is awareness or inert? Hence, there is no other way than to say that one unimaginable item, which cannot be qualified by terms like awareness or inert created the space directly. Therefore, Veda says that the unimaginable God created the space directly (Atmana Aakashah…).

But Veda says that God wished to create the world. Such statement can be taken in view of the general procedure seen in the world, which is adopted for the sake of convenience of understanding by human beings. Veda also says that the unimaginable item (God) created the space or energy directly (Tat tejo asrujata…). Once the space is created, which is the first form of inert energy, the procedure of the creation is a routine process as described by Veda regarding the creation of air etc. after space. In this procedure, the last item that was created was awareness from the food (Annat purushah). You cannot bring this awareness even before food and not to speak of bringing the awareness even before the generation of space.

Now there are two items. One is the unimaginable God and the other is imaginable world which includes awareness as the final product. The generation of the world from God is also unimaginable, since there is no similar example of unimaginable generating imaginable in the world. From space onwards, we have only the imaginable generating another imaginable and any link between two imaginable items is imaginable. Therefore, Veda says that the link between space (Mahat) and God (Purusha) is unimaginable (Avyaktam) as seen in the statement “Mahatah paramavyaktam, avyaktaat purushah paraha”.



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Perhaps unimaginable, but

Perhaps unimaginable, but that which is beyond all concept has away to create or 'be'that is outside of any imaginable existence beyond the concept of existence.

Forgive my ignorance, but your post is like a savory meal with an aroma that beckons one to come taste of it. Just wanted to add a response that arose while viewing it. Applaud your explanation!

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Psiplex | Thu, 03/05/2009 - 13:09
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"even if you say that the unimaginable God Himself is the unimaginable will or awareness, then also, your purpose is not served, since the unimaginable awareness cannot be the imaginable awareness that is seen in the living beings."

Yes, it is the same. Your mistake is in confusing Awareness with Consciousness. To be 'aware of' something is Consciousness and requires an object of creation, but in the absence of something to be 'aware of', Awareness remains.

"Once the space is created, which is the first form of inert energy, the procedure of the creation is a routine process as described by Veda regarding the creation of air etc. after space. In this procedure, the last item that was created was awareness from the food (Annat purushah). You cannot bring this awareness even before food and not to speak of bringing the awareness even before the generation of space"

There is no before and after, no first and last. Creation is happening now, totally fresh in this moment with nothing 'held over' from some previous moment.

Phroggy | Fri, 03/06/2009 - 17:53
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either fully ignorant or fully learned

On self-realization if the Advaitin ( people who think that soul is God) achieves the state of God, the above inherent clue must also be attained simultaneously without any further effort. In such case the Advaitin must be in bliss through out his life in this world. But if you see the practical life of the Advaitin, it is not so. Even Advaitin-saint becomes serious and jealous with the opponent in the argument. He should really enjoy even his defeat in the argument. Shankara ( a great saint and human incarnation of Lord) accepted the point raised by the cobbler and fell on his feet. These Advaitins are neither fully ignorant nor fully learned.

They are like the teen-age students of high school who have just crossed the elementary school where they have accepted the existence of unimaginable God through unimaginable miracles. Accepting God is knowledge but thinking themselves as God is ignorance. The parents always enjoy with their teen-age children. God has continuous enjoyment with these Advaitin-children because they will never hear the truth completely. They are better than atheists but lesser than devotees.

To hear the truth one should be either fully ignorant or fully learned. Even Brahma refused to preach these people (Brahmaapi Na Ranjayati… Bhartruhari). Only Lord Shiva came forward in the human form as Shankara to deal with these people. The Buddhists and the followers of Purvamimmsa were atheists and learned scholars in scriptures.

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dattaswami2 | Thu, 04/09/2009 - 10:21
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The student of Advaita is not self realized, he is a student, just like you and me. He often studies concepts and quotes texts and gurus, just like you and me. He generally has much ignorance (false knowledge) to unlearn, just like you and I. Why would you expect any student to be self realized?

The Buddhists, athiests and Advaitans are no different from you or me, only the content of the ignorance is different. You, my friend, know far too much. How can you ever recover from such a state? Your strength is devotion and perhaps all your precious knowledge can be surrendered at once?

Phroggy | Thu, 04/09/2009 - 19:02