Awareness

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"You are not your thoughts. You are the awareness behind the thoughts." i took this quote from Eckhart Tolle's teaching. Now this is similar to saying that you are the Atman.

But what i would like to question, if i may, is when the mind is occupied with thoughts are we aware? If what i stated is a fact which can be verified, then the statements as given in the quote have no meaning and only become concepts.



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Depends

on whether you become identified with the thoughts or remain distanced from them as the observing presence, or awareness, watching the thoughts.

For me personally, detached awareness lasts...oh about one breath long, and then I become identified with, and become the thoughts and the mind again. I become "unconscous", "un-awake." I walk abour "unconscious", and "un-awake", in total identification with my mind and my thoughts about 99.99% of the day. About 23 hour and 57 minues out of an entire day. But I try to become fully aware, and fully present, in the moment, and detached from thoughts as often as possible throughout the day. I use innerbody body awareness as my technique du jour.

Quantum | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 05:30
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Awarwness of the ways of Thoughts

"For me personally, detached awareness lasts...oh about one breath long,"

While striving for this is indeed good but if we are going to be occupied with thoughts most of the time, won't it be more appropriate to be aware of the thinking process instead. That would give us insight into how it functions and we would then be dealing with what is rather than what should be which is the source of conflict.

Observation and not the concepts that bring us light.

joejo | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 06:03
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That's what I meant by "detached awareness."

"won't it be more appropriate to be aware of the thinking process..."

That's what I said by "detached awareness." YOU are aware of thoughts,as the separate detached witnessing presence, rather than being involved in then, and being identified with them. Like watching events from a distance without interfering with them.

But in my experience, this get's messy, because my ego comes in through the back door, and before I know it, it is my mind and my ego watching itself.

So, a more practical approach I take, that I just do, is cognitive centering. While walking I "feel" each footstep. When thoughts come, I simply go back and feel each footstep. When more thoughts try to intrude, or take over, I go back and simply feel each footstep. This keeps my consciousness from being taken completely over by mental thinking, keeps me from getting lost in thought. My day in the office goes by better too when I am succcessful at this.

Quantum | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 11:29
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Awareness of Thought

By awareness of thought i did not mean distancing oneself as an observer. This can at best be done only temporarily by summation of all once attention. To know that one is not aware is also awareness. Lets say that one is angry. Then one is observing all that is happening at that time. Awareness of thought is mere witnessing without making any effort to use that awareness for any purpose. If resistance to anger arises one watches that & if one cant or did not watch, then one takes note of that. There should be no judgment or condemnation or if this takes place then one notes that too (Judgment etc). It is like a scientist watching an event or the reaction to it . By this light is thrown into ones psyche & it bring about its own action without our effort or our being conscious of it.

joejo | Sat, 02/20/2010 - 06:56
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All good points. All true.

"This can at best be done only temporarily by summation of all once attention."

I agree, based on my own experienced. Then suddenly my mind takes over and pretends to be the watcher. It can go on forever for me, my mind watching my mind watching my mind watching my mind watching my mind...like holding a mirror in front of a mirror.

So, about 80-90% of my day, I try to collapse all my mental activity down to one activity: feel each footstep while walking.

If you imagine thoughts like firewords explosion, then I imagine this to be like a reverse firework explosion. I call it cognitive centering. It is easier for me to focus on the feel of each footstep while walking than all the other drama of trying to be "aware."

That said, the other 10-20% of my day, I "feel the energy of my emotions." I try to, anyway. When anxious, or stressed, or basically lump them all as "pain", I "feel" the energy of that pain. I don't think. I feeeeeeeeleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel.

Feel.

Don't think. Feel. -Bruce Lee.

This keeps me in touch with my innerbody. So that the entirety of my consciousness is not completely taken over by thinking. (Actually, feeling my footsteps is much like feeling the innerbody too. So is attention to breathing. In the end they all feel the same to me.)

Then there are no obvious emotions present, I take my attention ever more deeply into the body. While walking around a beautiful lake near where I live, I keep my attention on my innerbody--the particular location moves, depending on where energy happens to be strongest. Lately it has been on my chest area, wHat you might call 4th chakra. I do this easiest when alone, or not peppered with people asking me questions or demanding my attention.

I basically focus my attention on one thing. When thoughts try to intrude, I refocus my attention on that one thing again.

And again.

And again.

And again.

To the extend that I am practicing PResent Moment Awareness, events in my day seem to turn out fairly well.

THat's why I do it.

"You will begin to attracts circumstance that correspond to your higher state of consciousness." -Eckart Tolle.

"Seek first the kingdom of heaven (Higher Consciousness) and all other thigs will be added unto you." -Yeshua

"I've been doing this for 15 years, because I found that everything in my life started to improve." -Some guy who teaches meditation.

Quantum | Sat, 02/20/2010 - 14:49
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Why do we give Importance to Past

As they say one ounce of practice is better than tons of theory. So it seems to me that you are doing the right thing.

The only issue could be with
"To the extend that I am practicing Present Moment Awareness, events in my day seem to turn out fairly well."

Now why this seeking of a result because with this we narrow down our approach. Events are the way they are, its our own interpretation that classifies them as good or bad.

Even more importantly why do you give such tremendous emphasis to the past experiences ( bad ones) that you make an all out effort to protect yourself. When we are all the time working from past experiences and hope to alter the events in such a way that they do not reoccur, it only shows our fear of the past & how much we are entrenched in it. In this continuous flow of life no two events are similar. You cannot hold on to the past & then practice Now or awareness.

joejo | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 03:38
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Karma....garbage....

Start/settings/internet options/delete history/delete cookies.

Makes the machine run a little more optimally.

The buddha it is said, at the moment of enlightenment..or just prior to the moment of enlightenment cleared away the karma of a thousand lifetimes.

Now that could be poetic dramatization and poetic license. Hyperbolies. Jesus used hyperbolies all the time to bring home a point. To me it means, he cleaned out a lot garbage in his consciousness (be it conscious, and or subconscious, and whatever level of conscious you might think of.) He deleted a lot of cookies and history.

The result.. a very clean hard drive.

Quantum | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 07:12
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quite perceptive of you.

"Now why this seeking of a result because with this we narrow down our approach. "

YOu see to be more advanced than you make yourself out to be. Are you a yogi pretending to be a seeker? You slumming?

You are correct. I have a tremendous amount of crap I need to clean out of my subconscious. Eckart Tolle calls it "The Pain Body." I finally realize, "Oh, that's what that is!" That's what's been causing all this grief all this time. It lays dormant, then comes to life when it is set off with the spark of any little negative vibration of similar frequency. That's why even a minor upset could cause so my external negativity. Electronics seem to respond to my strong emotions. My computer does.. or used to a lot. Thank God not so frequently anymore. Maybe I'm dissolving away that awful pain body. Neutralizing it.

Yes. I'm cleaning out my attic.

Quantum | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 07:18
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?ego awareness/self awareness?

Felt like posting something from Ramana when I came across this topic so hope you don't mind some excerpts pertaining to your question.

>>>"the One Reality is the Self from whom has sprung the
ego which contains within itself the seeds of predispositions acquired in previous births. The Self illumines the ego, the predispositions and also the gross senses, whereupon the predispositions appear to the senses to have materialised as the universe, and become perceptible to the ego, the reflection of the Self. The ego identifies itself with the body, and so loses sight of the Self and the result of this inadvertence is dark ignorance and the misery of the present life."<<<

>>>"D:Taking the first part first, how is the mind to be eliminated or relative consciousness transcended?

M.: The mind is by nature restless. Begin liberating it from its restlessness; give it peace; make it free from distractions; train it to look inward; make this a habit. This is done by ignoring the external world and removing the obstacles to peace of mind.

D.: How is restlessness removed from the mind?

M.: External contacts - contacts with objects other than itself - make the mind restless. Loss of interest in non-Self, (vairagya) is the first step. Then the habits of introspection and concentration follow. They are characterised by control of external senses, internal faculties, etc. (sama, dama, etc.) ending in samadhi (undistracted mind).

D.: How are they practised?

M.: An examination of the ephemeral nature of external phenomena leads to vairagya. Hence enquiry (vichara) is the first and foremost step to be taken. When vichara continues automatically, it results in a contempt for wealth, fame, ease, pleasure, etc. The ‘I’ thought becomes clearer for inspection. The source of ‘I’ is the Heart - the final goal. If, however, the aspirant is not temperamentally suited to Vichara Marga (to the introspective analytical method), he must develop bhakti (devotion) to an ideal - may be God, Guru, humanity in general, ethical laws, or even the idea of beauty. When one of these takes possession of the individual, other attachments grow weaker, i.e., dispassion (vairagya) develops. Attachment for the ideal simultaneously grows and finally holds the field. Thus ekagrata (concentration) grows simultaneously and imperceptibly - with or without visions and direct aids.

In the absence of enquiry and devotion, the natural sedative
pranayama (breath regulation) may be tried. This is known as
Yoga Marga. If life is imperilled the whole interest centres round the one point, the saving of life. If the breath is held the mind cannot afford to (and does not) jump at its pets - external objects. Thus there is rest for the mind so long as the breath is held. All attention being turned on breath or its regulation, other interests are lost. Again, passions are attended with irregular breathing, whereas calm and happiness are attended with slow and regular breathing. Paroxysm of joy is in fact as painful as one of pain, and both are accompanied by ruffled breaths. Real peace is happiness. Pleasures do not form happiness. The mind improves by practice and becomes finer just as the razor’s edge is sharpened by stropping. The mind is then better able to tackle internal or external problems. If an aspirant be unsuited temperamentally for the first two methods and circumstantially (on account of age) for the third method, he must try the Karma Marga (doing good deeds, for example, social service). His nobler instincts become more evident and he derives impersonal pleasure. His smaller self is less assertive and has a chance of expanding its good side. The man becomes duly equipped for one of the three aforesaid paths. His intuition may also develop directly by this single method."<<<

B-friend | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 08:31
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Did you really post all that?

I read "Gospel of Thomas" a few weeks ago, after I was inspired by on your posts that referenced it.

I am currently reading "I Am That", but have been contemplating reading Maharshi...again after reading one of your posts that referenced it. But that post above lost me. If most of his books read that way, I may not bother.

Can you distill those posts down to 3 sentences? I like to keep it simple, Sam.

Quantum | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 11:36
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attention spans

Yeah much of Maharishi reads this way..It may not be suitable for your temperament then if this little blurb is too much. Especially 'Talks of Sri Ramana Maharshi', where this was taken from, sense much of it is redundant due to the nature of how it was accumulated. I like to read it slowly myself.

Gospel of Thomas is annoying to people who cant stand the language of the bible either..lol You also have to take into account the various translations of it was well. Each will read a little different.

As far as keeping things simple...that was simple for me...lol

Much easier to copy and paste than to translate Ramana's teachings..or regurgitate them without having fully digested them.

Sorry to offend your attention span..haaaaa

B-friend | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 20:11
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Good grief...

If you find that to be just a "little blurb" to you, then Kudos! Yes, it was a bit much for me. Thanks letting me know ahead of time that most of his books tend to read that way. I suspected it from what little I've read, but then I thought perhaps it was just limited to those instances. I'll probably stay clear for a while.

You must be an english major, or something, to do with literature.

Oh, by the way, I been meaning to ask since some posts seem to pass around book suggestions, have you read "Practicing His Presence?" The version I have is in two parts. One part is a collection of letters from a missionary back in the 1930's. The second part is a collection of letters from one names Brother Lawrence.

They have their differences, but they also share a very fascinating similarity.

To start with their differeces, the writing's of brother Lawrence were permeated with "sin", unworthiness this, unworthiness that, etc. Makes me think of God speaking the cowering King Arthur in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." Typical catholic swa.

The writings of the Missionary on the other hand, mentions nothing of Sin, or unworthiness. He's just plain straightforward. Simple. Straight. He must be a Protestant. LOL.

The very fascinating element that was common to them was the statement they both made about how things they thought were normally troublesome often tended to work out well, since they began their practice. THings in their lives tended to work out okay.

Reminds of what I read about some meditators who say things like they seem to get more done during the day, etc.

It also makes me thing of Jesus saying, "Seek First the Kingdom of Heaven and everything else will be added to you besides."

And it also reminds me of my favorite quote from Tolle, "You will begin to attract new circumstances that correspond to your higher state of consciousness."

In "Practicing His Presence" the device used by both gentlement for cognitive centering was some Deity they called "God." That was their mantra. Their object of focused attention. It would seem that this minute by minute fixed attention on this thought object they called "God" made them more Present, which is probably what caused things to work out well for them, and also what makes things work out well for just about anyone who practicing present moment awareness, or in the words of Tolle, "The POwer of Now."

In the end, I think the Now, is the narrow door. The vertical componentent of time, the zero point on the x-axis. Not the left where past exists, not to the right where future is anticipated, but Now.

Any of this make sense?

Anyway, it is the "coincidences" and "things working out" that keeps me fascinated in the eastern spirituality of "Now" ness.

Quantum | Sat, 02/20/2010 - 05:38
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By All Means

>>>If you find that to be just a "little blurb" to you, then Kudos! Yes, it was a bit much for me. Thanks letting me know ahead of time that most of his books tend to read that way. I suspected it from what little I've read, but then I thought perhaps it was just limited to those instances. I'll probably stay clear for a while.<<<

By all means stay away from great sages like Ramana, if reading 30-45 seconds worth of words compiled by dedicated disciples who felt privileged to translate into english for westerners like you and me the great wisdom and words left behind from Ramana, is too much!! By all means stay away if their work isn't good enough for you. May I suggest you learn Tamil and Sanskrit to make things easier for you??

lol..come on man

By no means am I a book seller. I do like sharing things that I like, though, that resonate with me and which perhaps may reach the lost, listless, lifeless, puddle of flesh I used to be. For him i speak through opportunities given by you. If by chance others have interests in such things, wonderful. I'm sure I will discover more treasures myself from people just like you too on this site. So whatever it is anyone has to share I am grateful despite anything I may say at the time.

Besides all that..It's interesting you mention Brother Lawrence. That name has continually popped up recently. I looked into him then, but perhaps I'll make more of a concerted effort to read what you mention. I don't make it to the book stores much or shop too much for them, I'll leave that one on the list as well. There are a few others I may want to get to also that have been mentioned by you guys.

>>>In the end, I think the Now, is the narrow door. The vertical componentent of time, the zero point on the x-axis. Not the left where past exists, not to the right where future is anticipated, but Now. <<<

I have yet to accept whether the mind is capable of the now or not. The mind is not the awareness, it is the looking glass..The colored shapes of the kaleidoscope, not the light. The mind impedes the now..distorts and distracts. That something behind the mind has the answer. Though the now always exists, the mind is not the perceiver of it though it thinks it can. I don't even try to perceive it with my mind. It makes no sense to.

For me, I am the dream character. If there is a dream character, there must be a dreamer.

B-friend | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 06:49
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No...Too advanced.

“too much!! By all means stay away if their work isn't good enough for you.”

Yes, I was overwhelmed by it. But not because it is not good enough or beneath me. On the contrary, it is too high level for my poor intellect to comprehend.. Probably written for an audience more advanced in their understanding than where I am today. So, I’m sure it’s good stuff. I’m just not the right audience for. I’m a fly in comparison, I think was an earlier comment. Anway, I leave what I cannot comprehend respectfully alone.

“I have yet to accept whether the mind is capable of the now or not.”

It probably isn’t. Mind/ego lives on time. Remove time, the ego dies. It hates the now. That is why when you meditate, say a simple yet very austere zen type counting meditation, counting one to ten, the mind knows what you are trying to do, so the mind…well, mine anyway…brings up even more thoughts than before closing the eyes to meditate. I had trouble with that one, so I switched to meditation techniques that to me are a bit more forgiving. The “cleansing” is probably slower, but I don’t get the headaches that a more austere practice gives me.

“The mind is not the awareness,”

It certainly isn’t. I’m only on the first 146 or so pages of “I Am That”, but as I understand it, Nisargaddatta points that out repeatedly. Eckhart Tolle simply says it directly, “You are not your mind.” You are a Higher Dimension of Consciousness, of which the mind is only a small part. The trouble is that we are identified with it most of the time. But we are not our thoughts. Not our emotions. Not our imaginations. Not our theories. We are not even our experiences. All that is mind stuff. Mental trips to keep us occupied and …mind Identified.

“it is the looking glass.”

I’ll have to ponder that one.

But what I do perceive is that our external experiences are projections filtered through the film strip of our minds, good , bad, and neutral. Where the light of the projector us Pure Consciousness. God. Holy Spirit. The Light mentioned in “The Gospel of Thomas.” Just to get really far out there…”You are extensions of Source Energy in Physical Body.” -Abraham.

You are the branch, God is the Vine.

“The colored shapes of the kaleidoscope, not the light. “

Ummm…yeah.

“The mind impedes the now..distorts and distracts. “

Yes. Mine does. All the "Time." Excuse my play on words. A bit of John Lennon nearly channelled through me that time. Oh! There it goes again.

“That something behind the mind has the answer. “

Keep going.

“Though the now always exists,”

It is the Eternal Present

“the mind is not the perceiver of it though it thinks it can. “

Yes. Yes.
It likes to stare at and talk about signposts. It stares fixated at fingers pointing at the moon.

"I don't even try to perceive it with my mind. It makes no sense to."

Your mind can know about it. I know about New York, but I have never been there.

“For me, I am the dream character. If there is a dream character, there must be a dreamer.”

It took me a while to realize that it is about Transcending the mind. For decades, it did not even occur to me that we are not our minds. I thought the Holy Spirit was a separate entity cohabiting our bodies, but was a separate and distinct entity from us. Now I realize, we ARE the Holy Spirit. But through some fluke or quirk, that extension of it in each of us has amnesia and thinks it is the mind. I would say, find a technique that works for you. Feel it even if you get only a small glimpse of it. It took me 9 months of daily meditation , but I can be present for a small fraction of moment longer than before I started, before I am lost in thought again. But you will begin to appreciate the value of Present Moment Awareness. Awareness without thought. Being Present may not BE "Being", but it is a doorway. It is the narrow door that leads to life.

Here is a Poem for you, friend. Just for kicks.

“To See a World in a grain of sand,
Or Heaven in a flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And Eternity in an hour.”
-William Blake - Auguries of Innocence

Quantum | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 08:04
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type..

Where I typed above:

"Now I realize, we ARE the Holy Spirit."

I should have said rather:

"Now I realize we AM the Holy Spirit."

Not that I pretend to fully understand Non-Duality.

Quantum | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 08:13
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Beautiful

...Beautiful beautiful beautiful

Wonderful insights

B-friend | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 21:23
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How to transcend thought

"How are they practised?

M.: An examination of the ephemeral nature of external phenomena leads to vairagya."

i am too small a fly to comment on Ramana Maharshi or to improve on what he said. But what i want to say in this context is that knowing the ways of thoughts lets us determine its rightful place.

Trying to observe we learn what it is ( art of observation). For observing mind is much more difficult than observing external objects.

What is involved in vairagya also needs be known specially for us who are part of the world where we continue to deal with all objects which a monk can distance himself from.

Lastly , alas there are no short cuts.

joejo | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 09:02
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right

"i am too small a fly to comment on Ramana Maharshi or to improve on what he said."

Yes..my sentiments as well

I apologize if that was too much for you too.

B-friend | Fri, 02/19/2010 - 20:13
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Welcome

Not at all. i am rather pleased when i hear someone quote Ramana without distortion as i hold him in very high regard.

Discussion brings about clarity.

joejo | Sat, 02/20/2010 - 06:59
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Ramana....

Then allow me to indulge too, and quote the one thing I remember most about the little I've read from Ramana. I don't remember the exact words, so I'll just give what I remember:

On several instances someone would ask Ramana a question.

And everytime Ramana's answer was the same, "Who is it that...(wants to know, feel this way, thinks that thought, holds that belief, is holding on to all this drama, and gibbering you present to me)?"

Then I realized...

"Oh."

I get it.

Quantum | Sat, 02/20/2010 - 14:58
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Holding on to I thought

Ramana's remedy was simple. He held that mind can never be convinced with explanations & arguments. Moreover he said that mind was a bundle of thought but behind every thought there was this I thought. He asked us to at least devote an hour or two everyday to sit in meditation & discard firmly the idea that you are the body and inquire from whence comes this I thought or by silently repeating I I I I.... trace the source and focus on this one single thought to the exclusion of others.

He said that the current of awareness generated by this would see us through the daily activities. He said that work and wisdom can go hand in hand meaning that active life was not a hindrance to realisation.

Search in Secret India a book by Paul Brunton is an interesting read and has something marvelous to show about Maharshi and his teachings.
Some extactscan be found

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8788525/Maharshi-by-Paul-Brunton

joejo | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 04:09
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The reduction process

I don't see the logic in the drawing of the conclusion of the second paragraph of yours.

One thing is awareness and second thing is who we are.

Indeed anything which you can be aware of cannot be you but it does not mean that something which you are not aware of is you necessarily. See http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/indeed-whatever-you-observe-cannot-be-you for details.

davids | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 08:34
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Which is why

this can be so circular, confusing, illogical and discouraging.

Oh my! Pain Body! Thinking, thinking.

Reasoning, reasonig.

Analyzing, analyzing.

Mind activity. Mind. Mind. Mind.

More mind, and more mind. Endless mind. It got me again.

"When thoughts come, just focus your attention back on the (insert object of concentration)" -Meditation teacher.

Just enjoy the music. Let it bring you to an enjoyable higher state. Analyzing it seems to take away from the enjoyment. But in the end, all is one so all is good.

But to expound on that bit about analyzing, I applied the "Reduction Process" to a very illogical song by "The Beatles." I think it's called, "She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah."

The word "yeah" is repeated twice. THey said it three times in one sentence. Only once is necesarry to get teh point accross. If a person needs to hear it again, they can simpy reply that line over. It is highly illogical to say the same word three times, specially in print media where the same text can simply be re-read in case the reader forgot what the word was. And in recorded media, if the listener forgot that word after "SHe loves you...", they can simply reply play. Of it they heared it on teh radio, but forgot what it was, they can research teh lyrics, or ask someone. In short, "yeah yeah yeah" is reduntant. Repetitive. Illogical. Applying the reduction process to eliminate illogical repetitive and make the song more rational, that first line should be reduced to this:

"SHe loves you. Yeah!"

See how analyzing , interpreting, and making that line of lyric less illogical, improved it? The redundancy and waste is removed. I think it is an improvement.

Other songs I find illogical when I apply the analytical mind to them are church hymns. I can go on forever with this one. "Gift of Finest Wheat" is one such song. It has a lovey melody to it, but what brand is this bread of finest wheat? Is it whole grain? What grocery outlet carries it on their shelf? What isle in the grocery store is it on? And who is this that delivers it? Is it only available via special delivery? What number do I call to have some delivered to me so I can try it out with some peanut butter and jelly. Must be good toasted and spread with butter, jam, and enjoyed with some coffee.

Another highly illogical experience that abounds all around is this thing called love and marriage. They start out loving and decide they want to get married, but last I heared more than 50% end up hating each other and divorced, and paying out cash like crazy.

Yes. I totally agree with you. Many things defy logic.

Quantum | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 16:45
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That's all thought.

"When thoughts come, just bring your attention back on the (insert object of concentration)"

For me, when I walk, I feel each footstep.

When thoughts come:

-While showering, I feel the water.

-While typing, I feel each fingertip on each key stroke.

-While driving, the feel the energy of my innerbody (lately in the chest area. 4th chakra you might call it.)

-I bring my attention back to ( ).

-While walking, I bring my attention back to the feel of each single footstep.

The rest follows.

Stop analyzing. Experience it.

Just do it.

Quantum | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 16:54
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Neither good nor bad

It is as well important not to commit the opposite error: to negate and condemn thinking and intellect. The outcomes are the same as adoring thinking: being controlled by thought either in positive or negative relations.

The balance is just to use it like we use a car for example. There is nothing wrong with thought nor intellect by themselves.

dan77 | Sun, 02/21/2010 - 22:22
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Awareness?

If we start with the premise that we know about awareness we will miss the point completely. In the beginning we can at best take only a few faltering steps in that direction whatever be our method. Neither can it be put in words & explained. Its Taste has to be felt (seen, experienced) by oneself. If we think that we know what awareness means and continue with our sleep then we deceive no one but oneself. In one of the posts someone was questioning what Ramana Maharshi told Paul Brunton which has been outlined in the book i mentioned earlier. Surely Ramana was not a salesman or eager Guru in search of disciples that he would make up a story about the inquiry aiding in rise of "Awareness" which could remain through the activities of the day & that work & wisdom are not essentially opposed.

Let us for sake of understanding approach the whole thing differently.
Understanding of attention helps us to understand a bit about awareness. What happens when we attend to something totally. Are not our thoughts and past associations kept in abeyance ready to surface as soon as the attention is withdrawn or comes to a close. A close study of attention will reveal that usually such an attention is brought about by things of our interest. There may not be anything wrong in it by itself but the same law of dependence applies. We do not have any freedom to have this power of complete attention or at best our attention (peak) are brief. The fact is that we attend to things partially. Our mind is divided or occupied by many thoughts or concerns.

So if we are interested in this practice of NOW or AWARENESS then we need to know about attention and the center that attends.

joejo | Mon, 02/22/2010 - 04:33
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Ramana Maharshi

i am appending below the exact conversation i was referring to

"“The yogis say that one must renounce this world and go off
into secluded jungles or mountains, if one wishes to find truth.Such things can hardly be done in the West; our lives are so different. Do you agree with the yogis?”

The Maharshi turns to a brahmin disciple of courtly
countenance. The latter translates his answer to me:
“The life of action need not be renounced. If you will meditate for an hour or two every day, you can then carry on with your duties. If you meditate in the right manner, then the current of mind induced will continue to flow even in the midst of your work. It is as though there were two ways of expressing the same idea; the same line which you take in meditation will be expressed in your activities.”
“What will be the result of doing that?”
“As you go on you will find that your attitude towards people, events and objects will gradually change. Your actions will tend to follow your meditations of their own accord.”

joejo | Mon, 02/22/2010 - 12:03
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Very Nice

Thank you for that post.

Quantum | Mon, 02/22/2010 - 17:03
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Energy without a Cause

We have all known response as a result of stimulus be it physical or mental. The energy which gets activated by such a method has a cause.

Now is there an energy without a cause. Discovery of such an energy (causeless) may be the key to understanding Awareness.

joejo | Sat, 02/27/2010 - 03:10
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Preoccupation & Awareness

Can a man occupied with worry, thought and problems be truly aware. To be truly aware we need to put aside all the preoccupations. That can come about when we are passionately interested in finding about ourselves for one has come to realise that life as lived with all the worries and problems has no meaning.

Often the approach to awareness may be by removing the obstacles to it.

joejo | Sun, 02/28/2010 - 05:21