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Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free".

What is the truth? The truth is, of course, wordless. Thus, it is either deep within as a Realization, or it isn't.

The saints/sages have dropped many hints throughout the ages, but folks tend not to listen, paying attention instead to what they want to hear, what makes sense to them *in their present state*. How could it be otherwise?

Thus, people literally are not able to 'hear' the truth, unless and until they are ready. The mind shuts it out. Tellers of truth are many. The taker is absent. One can 'point' to the truth until one is blue in the face, all quite pointlessly ;-).

Nisargadatta: "My guru told me: 'you alone are'".

Nisargadatta: "You are God, the Supreme Reality".

Nisargadatta: "You are the all-pervading, all-transcending Reality".

If I am (and you are) actually God, perhaps it is our definitions of God that are a little bit skewed. Nyet?



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Sometimes the idea that We are all one and that Being is God, does not make me feel free. Sometimes I like this "Michael" That I have created. This "michael" is married to an awesome wife and has a beautiful child. This "michael" chooses to love them and this has has brought him joy. So if I am God, I would have to say that I like being God in the expression of "Michael" Sure at times "being" "Michael" has its ups and downs but in the end the downs has allowed this "Michael" to better appreciate and enjoy the ups.

I kinda of like the duality of it all. Destroying all "identities" of "everyone" only leave God left. To me that seems to be sort of a lonely existence. that might be petty of "Michael" but hey If I am God then I can express Myself has "Michael" if it pleases me to do so...or is that "michael" talking?lol

Thats enough to drive a man insane. I guess thats another point...I have been to brink of insanity, I have witnessed people who are "insane". It was not a blissful experience not for me or those who I witnessed. All this time we blame our egos for hiding our true selves from us...but what if it was God in reality(our true self) that was doing the hiding.. I mean if God wanted to be found, would he not have the power to instantly do so? Could he not rid himself of these illusions he created?

Food for thought

peace

Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om

Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 01:40
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Here's the thing, though...

> To me that seems to be sort of a lonely existence.

But here's the thing: We are alone anyway -- avoiding our aloneness, seeking out others, seeking love, being dependent, dissatisfied, discontented, lonely, thrashing about, engaging in meaningless activities in order to escape, clinging to life, clinging to others, suffering....

All to avoid the inescapable fact that (beyond the mind) we are totally and completely alone. "One without a second", as the sages have said for thousands of years.

What about just accepting this one, simple factoid?

> but hey If I am God then I can express Myself
> has "Michael" if it pleases me to do so...

Of course... but it doesn't please You to do so, honest. It only pains you. The 'good stuff' happens when Michael is not around, temporarily forgotten. When he comes back, all his "sh*t" comes with him.

> I mean if God wanted to be found, would he not have the
> power to instantly do so? Could he not rid himself of
> these illusions he created?

Yes, You do... and yes, You can. Just don't ask this Omkaradatta fella to tell ya how, for he's not God... You are.

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 01:56
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thats makes sense and..

> but hey If I am God then I can express Myself
> has "Michael" if it pleases me to do so...

Of course... but it doesn't please You to do so, honest. It only pains you. The 'good stuff' happens when Michael is not around, temporarily forgotten. When he comes back, all his "sh*t" comes with him."

When michael is around there are problems but there are the "good times" too.

If michael is the source of all my discomfort, and the only way to rid myself of this hinderance is to get rid of michael(and "everybody else") then why would I put myself through all this. Why would I create michael, if michael only causes ignorance? Why would i put myself(as mom) through the pains of child birth just so that I (as michael)can suffer in ignorance(which I(god) must of created) only so that I could suffer for a life time and die a painful death as michael?

Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om

Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 02:32
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please dont tell me...

that the answer is "Why NOt?"lol

Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om

Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 02:33
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Nope, that's not the answer.

The answer is, "Fill in the blank here: ____________".

Seriously -- the answer is to continue asking yourself these questions. Keep the focus on yourself, instead of others. Become interested in your own existence, truly interested.

Depending on your sincerity and devotion to this, the universe will begin to reveal her secrets.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 02:51
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P.S. to Michael

P.S. if you're dissatisfied with pro wrestling, cheesy game-cubes, actors/actresses showing off their bodies, Burger King commercials, Get Rich Quick schemes, dudes with their pants hanging down to their ankles, bad post-post-hip-hop music, plastic disposable cell phones, eating twinkies and watching the icing ooze out, sitting on the couch eating greasy $2.00 microwave pizzas, etc... THIS PATH is definitely for you ;-).

Turn off the TV permanently, set aside some time every day and just... sit there. Sit there and ponder your own existence. Ponder the "I".. what am I?

Look out through your own eyes, but don't look at anything in particular -- just see, feel and hear everything around you.

Then ask yourself: This seeing, feeling, hearing, smelling, thinking happening right now, right this moment... is THIS what I am?

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 03:12
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Again you assume there's a God person somewhere who's busily reasoning things out the way you do. What if there isn't?

Phroggy | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 03:01
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hey, i see what yo are saying...reread my posts...i am not speaking of a seperate god thats why i am refering to myself in third person.

Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om

Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 06:17
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But the point is that you (as God) were never in position to reason in that way, so first person or third person is beside the point. I'm not talking about a separate God, but rather a personal God, which means a God who acts/thinks like a person.

Phroggy | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 07:57
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Are you suggesting...

Are you suggesting that one (say, Michael) starts out as 'not God', then 'becomes' God when this type of reasoning ceases? Either one is God, or one isn't. A God who acts/thinks like a person may be a deluded God (or more truly, a Divided God), but is God nonetheless.

Niz: "My Guru told me -- 'Trust me. I tell you; you are divine. Take it as the absolute truth. Your joy is divine, your suffering is divine too."

I don't see your point, either. Is he supposed to begin from where he isn't?

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 08:20
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"Are you suggesting that one (say, Michael) starts out as 'not God', then 'becomes' God when this type of reasoning ceases?"

No, I'm saying there was never a God who decided to fall into the delusion of being a human.

"I don't see your point, either. Is he supposed to begin from where he isn't?"

Read his post again. He wonders why he (God) would put himself through all this.

Phroggy | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 08:42
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Ohhh...

> Read his post again. He wonders why he (God) would put
> himself through all this.

Ohhhh.. gotcha.

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 10:04
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in other words

Why would I put my self through this?

Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om

Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Tue, 02/10/2009 - 23:43
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You wouldn't and you didn't. Hehe.

Phroggy | Wed, 02/11/2009 - 01:01
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Yup...

There is actually nothing but this moment -- nothing ever happened.

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 02/11/2009 - 03:21
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Okay, now there's an approach that might actually be useful. Bring it all home to the here and now since there is no then and there. The question becomes, 'Why am I doing this to myself now?' If you don't want to do it, you probly know the way out; just end the thoughts right now and open it all up. It will be effortless because it will be what you want. If you're not 'doing' that, ask yourself why. (Michael)

Phroggy | Wed, 02/11/2009 - 04:53