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Wisdom is love, and love is true wisdom. The cold-hearted man is never wise, and the truly warm-hearted person is never foolish, for love comes from wisdom and wisdom from love.

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How come?

How come?

suzame | Fri, 01/16/2009 - 13:14
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Omkaradatta | Fri, 01/16/2009 - 18:31
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Foolishness and resistance come from fear, which is sourced in ignorance.The end of ignorance is wisdom. The end of fear is love.

Phroggy | Fri, 01/16/2009 - 20:26
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Love and fear...

I'd say love is not the opposite of fear, desire is.

Actually, love has no opposite, as it's simply the pull toward Oneness. Upon awakening, one 'becomes' love... there's no longer any need to receive it, although it is given.


Omkaradatta | Fri, 01/16/2009 - 21:58
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When we talk about foolishness, ignorance, wisdom, fear, we're talking about the dualistic illusion and conceptual love, which does have an opposite.

You seem to be saying desire is the opposite of fear, which isn't so.
Perhaps you mean desire is the opposite of love? In a weird way, yeah. Desire/need brings with it fear.

Phroggy | Fri, 01/16/2009 - 22:33
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> You seem to be saying desire is the
> opposite of fear, which isn't so.

Isn't desire a movement toward something, and fear a movement away from something? Attraction/repulsion. Seems pretty clear here that they're opposites, at least in most contexts.

Desire and fear are both "in movement" -- love is not. Love is present with who/what we already have, not with what we're looking to find or looking to get rid of.

"Desire/need brings with it fear."

Exactly -- that's what makes them opposites. Two sides of the same coin. Just as light always brings with it (the potential for) darkness, and vice-versa.

P.S. I'm not sure what you mean by 'conceptual love'. Could you describe this, whatever it is? :-p. I know of only one kind of love.


Omkaradatta | Sat, 01/17/2009 - 03:04
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"P.S. I'm not sure what you mean by 'conceptual love'. Could you describe this, whatever it is? :-p. I know of only one kind of love."

Then you have no business talking to mortals.....seriously.

Phroggy | Sat, 01/17/2009 - 04:37
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Really? Honestly? Truly? Deeply?

It's your term, Oh Mortal. I've never heard it before. A Google search on "Conceptual Love" brings up nothing.


Omkaradatta | Sat, 01/17/2009 - 04:41
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Mind essentially invents dualistic concepts based on it's own experience in order to understand that which is not conceptual to begin with. It does this in hopes of attaining the experience without noticing the limitations of the dualistic goal, and often without realizing that, since it is defined by it's opposite, that it cannot even be experienced in the absence of it's opposite.

Hencely, mind seeks love, which it defines as the opposite of hate or fear, and must forever oscillate between the two. It seeks joy, which it defines as the opposite of sorrow, and peace which it defines as the opposite of turmoil or chaos or violence.

Mind cannot know genuine Love, Joy or Peace because they are not conceptual or dualistic, and so it has no choice but to persue it's conceptualized versions, which will likely change as the person's experiences change, but it's only when mind stops seeking it's conceptual shadow versions that genuine Love, Joy and Peace may become apparent as already being present in the absence of mind's grasping.

Phroggy | Sat, 01/17/2009 - 05:11
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Omkaradatta | Sat, 01/17/2009 - 06:07
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I would say attachment rather than desire.

It is true that fear comes as a result of attachment, that any fear is a fear of loosing something, loosing something that we are attached to.

Although it is only a game of words, to me the opposite of love is represented in fear because I see both of them as the opposite forces in any dynamic: love pulls you toward something and fear push you back. The pull and the push are defined in reference to the something (not necessarily physical reference).

lalo | Fri, 01/16/2009 - 23:05
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Love and desire

From here, desire is always for something we *don't* already have. Love is always for what we *do* have, e.g. a mother's love for her child, or the love between two friends. This is a primary characteristic distinguishing the two.

Because love is for what we *do* have, it indicates that we are separated by "me" and "you", yet want to be closer, want to be One. Desire only means that we want to fill the empty space inside with some temporary pleasure... it's trivial, while love is not.

Nisargadatta Maharaj: At the root of our being we are one.

Questioner: Is it not so whenever there is love between people?

NM: It is, but they are not conscious of it. They feel the attraction, but do not know the reason.

It may be valid that fear is the opposite of love, but it makes more sense here in most contexts that fear and desire are opposites.


Omkaradatta | Sat, 01/17/2009 - 01:14