Walking in circles

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As most of us know, U.G. Krishnamurty could be a pretty disagreeable fellow and regularly told those who gathered around him that he had nothing to offer them and the best thing would be for them to go away, but in fact that message WAS his offering. He once wrote:

"Your teacher must go, it doesn't matter who the teacher is. The very thing that you are reading-that's the very thing you must be free from."

I've come to understand that very clearly, and we don't have to go far to find folks caught up in strange teachings with strange language, declaring strange practices amounting to the one and only way to liberation. All of it has a kernel of truth in it, but it's the nonsense that will eat your lunch.

I've found that all belief systems are pointing us to the boundaries of our understanding and are best used as stepping stones to something else, or maybe nothing else. Where we seem to be going is the realization that nothing is True, nothing works, there's nothing to get and nobody to get it. This is, itself, the Realization we seek.

Some guru said (and it doesn't matter which) "Failure is the means to success." Futility is the goal, the end of the seeking, the exact point on the path where you have no idea what to do next because you finally get it that there's nothing to do, nowhere to get to, nothing to know. You're not anything, not apart from anything, not accomplishing anything, not in need of anything, not knowing anything. It's just the obvious simplicity of this, right here and now, minus everything we think we know about it....how very, very odd this is.


Omkaradatta's picture

Indeed so...

"It's just the obvious simplicity of this, right here and now, minus everything we think we know about it....how very, very odd this is."

From here it seems 'normal', although odd from the perspective of "running around trying to accomplish stuff" ;-). It is amazingly easy, natural and effortless, yet profoundly active in the sense of 'Presence'. There is no scope for the indolence of the mind, no room for procrastination or denial or fixity or anything where "thinking about" acts as a substitute for "being here". It is the absence of absence, the lack of lack. There's nothing to get and nothing to avoid.


Omkaradatta | Tue, 08/05/2008 - 03:57
madan_gautam's picture


What ever he said is borrowed from J.krishnamurti but J. said it by fully knowing/experiencing it and U.G, said without knowing it.
There is great difference in both.

madan_gautam | Sat, 07/04/2009 - 18:40
Quantum's picture

Good point.

I've never been to New York. But I can describe it from books and videos. But if someone from New York describes it, it might have a little more life that my description of it.

Good point, Madan.

But, Phroggy, I can understand your post. My "Spiritual Practice" section of my profile used to have all sorts of things in it. But I recently changed all that to "A good night's sleep. And Meditation." Soon my spiritual practice may be nothing more than a good nights sleep and just go on with life.

Then, later, I may put all that original stuff back...but with more meaning behind them...and continue on this spiral that goes


Quantum | Sun, 01/10/2010 - 22:12
Toltec Logic's picture

Perhaps awakening is only

Perhaps awakening is only the beginning of learning, where our daily practice takes on new meaning.

According to Master Hakuin, “Although you may have seen the way clearly, if your power of shining through is not strong enough, you may be blocked by inherent and chronic afflictions, and will not be free and independent in both agreeable and adverse situations.”

“This is the Great Perfect Mirror knowing… the first stage of inspiration; you can discern the source of eighty thousand doctines, with their limitless subtle meanings, all at once… no principle is not complete.” Yet, “because one's power in the way is weak and one's perception of reality is not perfectly clear, the Great Perfect Mirror wisdom is associated with the easterly direction and called the Gate of Inspiration.”

“Without this practice, after awakening, many people who have seen realilty miss the boat.”

“Four Ways of Knowing of an Awakened Person”

“Excellence or inferiority in learning to comprehend essence and life is all a matter of finding out principle.”

“When there is no doubt or confussion at all, only then is this true knowledge and clear vision.”

“Indeed, the work of investigating principle is no small matter.”

The Taoist I Ching

It is said that western thought has a beginning an end in linear logic, where as in eastern thought life is a circle
which try as we may has no point of beginning. Walking the circle is a time honed tradition in taoist practice based in the study of the I Ching or Ba Gua Qi Gung.

Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence

Toltec Logic | Sun, 02/07/2010 - 18:27
Toltec Logic's picture

relates to missing the boat

The truth is we each of us have it within ourselves
this capacity to live an awakened life.

“So in the path of practice of the Tao, it is not a matter
of people's talents or qualities, but of whether or not they
have determination. Without determination, even talented
and intelligent people are incapable of attaining the Tao;
with determination, even ignorant men and women are
capable of attaining it. As it is said, those who realize it
immediately ascend to the rank of sages, while those
who miss it sink in the stream forever.”

Taoist I Ching

Toltec Logic | Sun, 02/07/2010 - 19:40