Waking up 'within the dream'

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(Warning, 'hardcore nonduality' follows ;-)...

I've heard that somebody (I think it was Jed McKenna) has bifurcated 'awakening' now into two parts: Waking up 'within the dream', and waking up 'from the dream'.

The first part is supposed to involve seeing through the ego, working with egoic patterns like projection, etc. The second part is supposed to be the 'real' awakening (as if there were really two of them :-p).

The problem here is that there is no end to ego-exploration. The ego is actually the most predictable thing in the universe, probably the ONLY thing that's predictable. It is nothing but an attempt to maintain itself through soul-numbing repetition, and this attempt changes constantly as new 'defense mechanisms' arise to deal with ever-changing circumstances. It is much like a clockwork mechanism, with the same emotions and thoughts arising again and again. This is how therapists make their $100/hour, forever.

Ego's forte is endless preparation. If possible, it would delay, procrastinate and prepare for ten trillion lifetimes. This is basically what it does, the heart of the mechanism -- put things off until 'later', create a "what's next?". Anything that encourages this, it will eagerly latch onto -- any sort of seeking, particularly seeking that cannot involve finding (e.g. awakening).

Nisargadatta: "You must not be compelled to think the same thoughts again and again. Move on!"

I find it interesting that somebody has invented 'awakening within the dream'. Perhaps it's a way to placate the ego, make it believe it has 'awakened' so it stops seeking, I don't know. But the notion strikes me as rather silly. There is truth, and there is falsehood. If there's such a thing as 'awakening within the dream', it means getting very good at being false. What else could it mean?

I'm supposed to be understanding, forgiving of the ego. I'm supposed to placate it myself, I'm not supposed to harangue folks, make them feel icky, etc. And I try not to, because it does turn people off. But if people could see how mechanically, predictably they react, perhaps their attitudes would change just a bit. Ego is not 'allowed' to see itself. Self-enquiry is an evil no-no. It doesn't feel comfortable, reassuring, repetitious. It feels scary.

Nisargadatta: "Unready means afraid. You are afraid of what you are. Your destination is the whole. But you are afraid that you will lose your identity. This is childishness, clinging to the toys, to your desires and fears, opinions and ideas. Give it all up and be ready for the real to assert itself."

If you are looking at ego work, you might consider that this will (at best) leave you with a worked-over ego. One cannot prepare for life -- it is happening now, as we speak. Either live, or sit and think about life, remember the past and dream about the future. There are no two ways about it.



Phroggy's picture

Dream theory

I wonder why you would comment in depth about something you know nothing about; something you heard mention of once second hand. Seems silly to me.

Jed Mckenna's 'teaching' is based on the fact that nothing you think you know is true except that you exist, that you can notice this to be so, and the realization of this is basically what 'waking up within the dream' is all about. You can't know anything at all, and what you've been taught is nonsense. Your relationships are based on a false premise and love and friendship aren't what you thought they were. The structures of things and relationships and power and control and fame are all delusions, and very often, waking up within the dream results in the collapsing of these structures.

It means living consciously and seeing things as they are, which makes it possible to be an adult human; something that Jed sees as a very rare phenomena. Whether or not one awakens FROM the dream is not under anyone's control and can neither be caused or prevented, but waking up WITHIN the dream is within everyone's reach if there is the willingness to be honest with yourself.

It's my perception that the overwhelming majority of those who are seeking to awaken FROM the dream aren't yet awake WITHIN the dream, and so pursuit of Truth becomes another part of the unconscious ego structure. Ego has no such desire to find Truth since ego is not a part of it, and so the game goes on endlessly, which is the notion that you misapplied, above, to Jed's ideas.

Phroggy | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 04:27
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It IS silly...

"I wonder why you would comment in depth about something you know nothing about; something you heard mention of once second hand. Seems silly to me."

Good call... it's pretty silly ;-). I comment about stuff all the time that I haven't gone into in-depth, otherwise I'd be reading the silly "spiritual writings" of others all the time instead of inventing new ones :-p.

"It means living consciously and seeing things as they are,"

Jed should be proud to be 'more conscious' than other folks, I s'pose. It's a spiritual 'leg up' on the rest, psycho-spiritually speaking, or whatever.

"...but waking up WITHIN the dream is within everyone's reach if there is the willingness to be honest with yourself."

So is the U.S. Presidency, or so I've heard. Sorry, but I just don't buy into the bifurcations of others. Is Jed supposed to be one of the few, rare ones 'awake within the dream', or does he claim awakening 'from' the dream? What's one supposed to do to awaken 'within the dream' -- work, work, work? So what else is new? My dad told me to do that, too, only I was supposed to work for something different.

To 'be working on oneself' is to be a "work in progress", which is what everybody believes themselves to be. I just don't see anything rare, unusual or commendable about it. Like you said, everybody is doing the best they can. Those attending therapy are doing the same thing.

"It's my perception that the overwhelming majority of those who are seeking to awaken FROM the dream aren't yet awake WITHIN the dream, and so pursuit of Truth becomes another part of the unconscious ego structure."

All pursuit is part of the unconscious ego structure, "truth" or otherwise. Truth cannot be found; you are It. The seeker is the sought. Thus, what you seek is merely part of the unconscious ego structure (all of it is unconscious).

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 05:11
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Unconsciousness theory

"Jed should be proud to be 'more conscious' than other folks, I s'pose. It's a spiritual 'leg up' on the rest, psycho-spiritually speaking, or whatever."

Hey, look, it's not me who's going to the reunion with your girlfriend.....Okay, nevermind.

"(all of it is unconscious)."

Hmmmmm, I guess in a way it is.

Phroggy | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 05:14
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Huh?

"Jed should be proud to be 'more conscious' than other folks, I s'pose. It's a spiritual 'leg up' on the rest, psycho-spiritually speaking, or whatever."

> Hey, look, it's not me who's going to the reunion
> with your girlfriend.....Okay, nevermind.

Sorry, that one flew right past. Is there something 'unconscious' about attending a high-school reunion? I'm lost :-p.

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 05:24
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Were you referring...

Were you referring to my reference about everyone pretending this/that, and inferring the notion that I considered her "less conscious than me"?

Can you, even for a second, bust out of the constant me, you, me, you, me, you references, and consider the possibility that I'm not thinking along those lines these days? I doubt it. You're instantly picking up on whatever sections of my writing look the most egoic to you, and inferring egoic meanings/motivations from them. You are clearly fascinated by this idiocy still.

Please don't waste my time anymore, and I won't waste yours. Deal?

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 05:36
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very interesting aproach.

very interesting aproach.

same should be applied on glimpses or temporary samahadi mistaken to be a total awakening.

nathan | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 08:38
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Hey....

What's the stick-man doing to the stick lady in your avatar that she's saying "stop that", anyway? ;-). Looks like he's talking in her ear, or something.

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 23:52