Using the maya concept as an excuse

banana's picture

Average: 4.3 (11 votes)

Not to want to go to see where your beloved late guru, that you've never met, lived

and pay him a tribute

is like...

Not to want to have sex with that one that you love romantically

out of reasons of maya.


Obviously, you mind is using the maya stuff as an excuse.

Inspect if your heart is closed. Check when was the last time you reacted emotionally instead of analytically?

carlito santo's picture

Are you willing to test the validity of the maya theory?

Well said. The belief that we are in a dream is exploited by us many times to give ourselves excuses when convenient. As long as we still take the effort to eat and have sex, and as long as we are not willing to take the risk to validate this belief of us by jumping, as a test, off the roof of a tall building, we are not truly believing in that theory but just adopting it for our convenience and playing hypocrite with ourselves in case we pretend that we believe in it wholeheartedly.

Do not dismiss anything based on that maya theory as long as you are not sure in its validity, i.e. willing to test it by jumping off the roof (and just in case, I'm not encouraging anyone to do so because for me it is just a nice interesting theory).

carlito santo | Sun, 09/06/2009 - 10:58
Phroggy's picture

It's confusing to me. You

It's confusing to me. You seem to say that visiting a place where the body of some now dead guru lived is a good thing, that having sex with someone you should not be involved with (for reasons of "maya") is a good thing, and that dismissing the mind and reacting emotionally is a good thing.

I disagree with all of that, but somewhere in there I suspect is the message that we shouldn't blame our misbehavior on maya, and I agree, especially for the unconscious who think they're in control of something.

Phroggy | Sun, 09/06/2009 - 20:17
Annie's picture

Letting love flow

He didn't say having sex with someone you should NOT be involved with but with someone you are involved with romantically - spouse, boyfriend etc.

I feel it is about letting the expression of love to flow without letting the mind to try to regulate or control it on the basis of "hey this is a dream" - whether it is the love to a significant other or to the guru.

And in general, as you well put it: to be careful not to blame our misbehavior on maya.

Annie | Sun, 09/06/2009 - 20:48
Phroggy's picture

He said "that you love

He said "that you love romantically". Stalkers and child molesters often feel a romantic love for their victims. You or your husband may have a romantic relationship with your neighbor's spouse. What if you are 12 years old and feel this romantic love? Perhaps maya (it's all a dream) could be used to justify an inappropriate sexual encounter, but not so much to deny it, hence the confusion.

Perhaps an odd thing, I don't know; when the dream is not taken so seriously, love flows far more freely as the mind has little reason to try to control anything. So again, the opposite seems to be true.

Phroggy | Sun, 09/06/2009 - 22:59
banana's picture

for the sake of the discussion

Oh come one phroggy, you know very well what I meant for the purpose of illustration - if it helps: assume socially-"proper" love, romantic love that the pope and you will approve morally :-) whatever pleases your and saudi arabia's conservative sexual stands.

banana | Sun, 09/06/2009 - 23:44
Phroggy's picture

Yeah, I'm pretty

Yeah, I'm pretty conservative. Not into stalking and child molestation and adultery and preteen pregnancy so much. I guess I should broaden my horizons. LOL!

I actually don't know what you mean, as I've said. So, you think that if two people are in a "proper" romantic situation, that somebody might deny sex because they see it as 'all a dream'? That actually makes sense in your mind? It's okay if it does, I'm just saying it doesn't register here at all.

Phroggy | Mon, 09/07/2009 - 00:12
banana's picture

A last clue

Phroggy, are u ok? turned one day all of a sudden into a puritan and now into a slow thinker? is it the age? maya dysfunction? Have you charged the batteries?

You will have to try harder.

A clue: sex and the enjoyment from sex is in the maya, so why should I do it with my beloved partner if it is an illusion? this stream of thought does not happen to appear in the mind of one who is in the habit to dismiss other things just because they are within the maya.

banana | Mon, 09/07/2009 - 06:11
solo | Wed, 10/28/2009 - 06:34
Shailendra's picture

This is maya

What you all are talking about is maya. This is maya- Avidya. MAYA is a word of two letters MAA & YAA. In sanskrit MAA means 'nahi'- not and YAA means 'jo'- that. So the literal meaning of this sanskrit word 'maya' is 'Nahi hai jo'- that which is not.
So it should be understood very clearly that 'nahi hai jo' is being said about the momentry presence of a thing or the eternal presence of a thing. The judgement is to be made regarding 'SAT' & 'ASAT' in the universe. One which is perishable is 'asat' where as one which neither begins nor ends, which is for ever is 'sat'. Since all the ingredients of maya is perishable- asat, hence it is THAT WHICH IS NOT.
Sat has taken a form as asat for the purpose of some utility for a certain period of time at the end of which it will again turn into sat. Misunderstanding of this temporary phase to be true and deriving pain and pleasure out of it is MAYA. It is a subject of wisdom not a matter of physical intraction or utilization.

Shailendra | Thu, 10/29/2009 - 09:20
genep's picture


Maya means "fiction" thoughts, hallucination, alias dream.

There is no choice in fiction, or control, they are just thoughts: so nobody can jump off any building UNLESS it is in fiction's, Maya's, script.
Nobody can visits his guru, dead or alive, unless it is in the script, nobody can have sex with a loved one, not even a prostitute -- not even a homosexual -- unless it is in the Maya's script.

Maya's no-choice and no-control applies even to the gods who had no choice or control over what they think they created, when there is no thinking because it also is just a thought, fiction.

Had god had a choice
then it is unlikely he would have created
all the unfathomable misery, starvation, death and disease
that makes Maya appear really real.

-- really, Really, REALLY

genep | Mon, 11/30/2009 - 22:26
zoya's picture

Advaitans are wishful thinkers

Advaitans are wishful thinkers.

Wishful - because they have no evidence or a hint that what they believe in (oneness etc.) is true. At some point they forget that it is just a matter of a baseless theory (baseless in terms of experience, which is still a valid spiritual option) and they start regarding Advaita as fact.

Thinkers - because all their belief is based on thinking, on analytical analysis (based on assumptions as axioms). Consequently, instead of reducing their level of mind activity and moving to the heart, their mind becomes even stronger and more influential. You can easily sport that when talking to Advaitans.

zoya | Thu, 12/24/2009 - 07:51
MAI's picture

There's no controlling this show..

"As long as there is a ‘YOU’ doing or not- doing,
Thinking or not-thinking, ‘meditating’ or ‘not-meditating’
‘YOU’ are no closer to home
Than the day ‘YOU’ were born."

From: The Tenth Man

whatever be the reason, or excuse...maya or whatever...

Try as one might, there's no controling this show..!!
It's all as it is, ever so.


MAI | Sun, 01/20/2013 - 07:28