Truth

madan_gautam's picture



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People here say that they are straight forward and want truth.
But when one is there for truth they escape.
What would you say.
OM



angel76's picture

Meditation

We tend to see the truth. But only the truth which is convenient for us at the moment.

I would say: compassion. When one is ripe, when one becomes more honest with himself, when one is more willing to cope with his fears, more truth reveals. Sometimes it is accompanied by temporal pain but very soon turns into lesser pain than before.

angel76 | Wed, 07/08/2009 - 19:25
gopalakrishnan's picture

Running away from Truth !

Om Lokah: Samastah: Sukhino Bhavantu

Generally People start spiritual practices for accomplishing their material needs as they think fulfilling such needs will give them peace of mind. But Gradually they come to know that actual spiritual practices are for purifying the mind so that it will be steady and can concenrate on God or the "I" in an individual, which is the only way to eternal peace. Here comes the problem! Because the mind is so strong that it will not allow the person to concentrate on God due to the inborn tendencies which we call 'vasanas'. Unable to wrestle with the mind the spiritual seeker find out so many excuses and justifications for his way of doing the sadhanas without knowing that he has become a toy in the hands of his mind! Gradually he deviates from the truth !
In Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna advices Arjuna that only through constant practice one can control the mind. So those who has no strength to constant practice will run away from the truth or their sadhana (Spiritual Practices) will become stagnant.

gopalakrishnan | Sat, 07/11/2009 - 07:40
Phroggy's picture

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Well, what does it mean to say 'I want to know Truth' when the individual asking for it is, itself, not included in that Truth? Some teachers have rightly asked 'Why would you want this?' The asumptions of personhood, individual free will, choice, volition, accomplishment and personal happiness are the foundation of the seeking for Truth, and yet the entire foundation is false. The seeker is, itself, the only obstruction to the realization of Truth.

The result is that mind/ego continually seeks personal fulfillment within the boundaries dictated by it's own delusional assumptions of independent existence, which requires that teachings be distorted to fit those needs, and further delusional beliefs and mind states be formed in order to support the imaginary accomplishment and success along the imaginary spiritual path of the imaginary person. It ultimately becomes a process of avoiding Truth rather than seeking it, but even this truth must remain hidden from the seeker or the seeking may dissolve itself in futility and Truth may be 'accidentally' revealed.

Phroggy | Wed, 07/08/2009 - 20:27
Omkaradatta's picture

But also...

"The seeker is, itself, the only obstruction to the realization of Truth."

And at the same time, the only path. This is paradox. The seeker is the sought, so there is neither.

The seeking itself is truth. Seeker and sought are not there... never have been.

There is truth in falsehood, or falsehood could not be.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Thu, 07/09/2009 - 06:27
gopalakrishnan's picture

Running away from Truth !

Om Lokah: Samastah: Sukhino Bhavantu

Running away from Truth is not possible becuse everything happens within truth ! The peson running away from truth doesn't know that he cannot go beyond the truth. As you said, people try to fulfill their personal needs in the name of searching for truth, thinking that fulfilling the needs is going to give them bliss (Truth). But gradually they find out that whatever they achieve, there is always a feeling of vaccum ;something unfulfilled. It is because unless and untill we attain the Truth, (our real existence) we will not experience the eternal peace.But this is a very difficult path to bliss. How many will be ready for it?!

gopalakrishnan | Sat, 07/11/2009 - 07:38
Vladimir Potter's picture

truth

About the eternal truth. My experiance says that to understand our created world one should have capabilities of the Creater(God). The man's mind is not good for it, the only truth we can comprehend on certain stage of our own consciousness is Atma. Advayta Atma is the only gate out to higher level of the Life (Moksha).
(Sorry for my poor English)

Vladimir Potter | Thu, 07/09/2009 - 06:48
mbnarayana's picture

Ekam Sat vipra bahudha

Ekam Sat vipra bahudha vadanthi.Truth is one.The learned call IT by many names.Truth is like a fire(Jnanagni)that burns ajnana.We become doubtless inthe vicinity of Truth.So let us all try to find immmortal Truth by our selves.
OM TATH SATH

mbnarayana | Thu, 07/09/2009 - 08:04
Meherwan's picture

What is the truth and what is not?

Always when my soul is deeply into this thought then there comes a simple answer....

What is the truth and what is not?

Yes! This might look again like a question but somehow this seems to be the answer too.

If you desire, then it is known to you

If you don't desire for something and search then you are not searching any!

So! When someone says they are straight forward and seeking truth, then they are seeking for some destination which they already know

If really the truth is with them or before them they escape (don't recognize it) as their perceived truth (destination) is not what they have got to see and what they see is not what they started for!.

Don't search something which you don't know and searching is not required if you know it already!

Any truth seeking exercise is "I" based as you are seeking to understand something and also to satisfy your "I" with a feeling of accomplishment, don't seek anything as you will be given when time is ripe

Meherwan | Thu, 07/09/2009 - 09:58
gopalakrishnan's picture

Seeking the Truth !

Om Lokah: Samastah: Sukhino Bhavantu

All these confusion and chaos happen because one doesn’t know that he is seeking himself ; the “I” in him !. He thinks bliss is some thing accomplished from outside. So he, instead of turning within tries to get the happiness from outside through his senses.
Truth is not something to be sought. I is something to be realized by oneself. Because he is the truth manifested in a form!

gopalakrishnan | Sat, 07/11/2009 - 07:50
gopalakrishnan's picture

Running away from Truth

Om Lokah: Samastah: Sukhino Bhavantu
Generally People start spiritual practices for accomplishing their material needs as they think fulfilling such needs will give them peace of mind. But Gradually they come to know that actual spiritual practices are for purifying the mind so that it will be steady and can concenrate on God or the "I" in an individual, which is the only way to eternal peace. Here comes the problem! Because the mind is so strong that it will not allow the person to concentrate on God due to the inborn tendencies which we call 'vasanas'. Unable to wrestle with the mind the spiritual seeker find out so many excuses and justifications for his way of doing the sadhanas without knowing that he has become a toy in the hands of his mind! Gradually he deviates from the truth !
In Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna advices Arjuna that only through constant practice one can control the mind. So those who has no strength to constant practice will run away from the truth or their sadhana will become stagnant.

gopalakrishnan | Sat, 07/11/2009 - 07:22
kulchnaui's picture

People say all sorts of things

People say all sorts of things...

They usually cannot mean what they say because they do not know what they mean at all...

They only fear...

And they do not know what truth is...

It's the ego that thinks it wants truth because it feel exciting... Entertainment...

But there is an inexplicable whim inside that is truly attracted to truthfulness... To itself...

When you connect with this whim then there is indeed a genuine seeking of truth... and no fear can win this whim...

kulchnaui | Mon, 07/13/2009 - 00:02
NIDHI PARKASH's picture

truth

truth cannot be expressed but it must have to be identified and known to up-to a special stage in nirvichaar samaadhi. in one word, if stated, truth is 'PARAMAATMAA'.

NIDHI PARKASH | Sun, 08/30/2009 - 18:19
sreeya devi's picture

Yes, No, Both, & Neither

When considering the concept of "truth", to me there is no such thing as absolute truth or false. Truth is a perception made at a moment in time?

At one time there were those who believed fully that the earth is flat. Today we know, or think we know, that the earth is round. There is evidence even today that all are valid answers.

Is the earth flat?
yes: when I look out upon the horizon I can see that the horizon is flat
no: from a satelite we can see the obvious round shape of mother earth.
both: there is evidence for both depending on someone's view point
neither: the earth actually looks more like this:
http://www.esri.com/news/arcuser/0703/geoid1of3.html
and is neither flat nor perfectly round.

We can equally apply these answers to "Is the earth round?" yes, no, both, neither...
There is evidence for every answer depending on what data we decide to trust. But it is only perception.

There can be evidence for many truths. Some say there is destiny, some say that is wrong - everything is freedom of choice. Why not both? Why not have one's cake and eat it to? And if we can subscribe to the phrase "my life is a reflection of my mind" then surly we can allow that there are many perceptions of fate and free will and all are valid. Does the Divine discriminate against one or the other?

Looking forward to your reply. :)

love and light
starlyn sreeya devi

sreeya devi | Wed, 01/05/2011 - 00:59
Blahnanda's picture

Truth of Self

Madan_gautam wrote: People here say that they are straight forward and want truth. But when one is there for truth they escape. What would you say.

I believe I can answer this quite simply, people are eager to know the truth when they think they know what they will find, but when approaching the real thing get scared off because it turns out to be something other than what they thought for one simple reason, and here is the Truth.

Self is a Transconceptual Reality...

There it is in only 5 words, people want a truth which can be reduced to a concept, which means they want a relative truth and not The TRUTH. Like the proverbial finger pointing to the moon concepts can point to, direct toward and lead to Truth but in themselves they are not Truth because Self is a Transconceptual Reality, which means that it will always Transcend Concepts, even when we are using concepts to speak of Transconceptual things.

Which is why a Transconceptual Vocabulary is necessary in order to discuss the Absolute Value of Self because Self is a Transconceptual Reality. People think the truth can be reduced to a concept so that they can play with it and call it me, but when the Real Thing rears its Beautiful Head and they come face to face with the Void of Concepts and can find no place to stand in the GAP which they can conceptually identify with their precious "IMAGE" of self, then suddenly the detour signs pop up everywhere and priorities rearrange so that deception no longer seems like such a bad deal after all...

That would be my humble opinion anyhow...

Blahnanda | Tue, 02/01/2011 - 02:34