Statement of the Advaitins is a point to be laughed at thrice!

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Statement of the Advaitins is a point to be laughed at thrice!
Chit paramaarthasaditi tridhaa haasyam drugapyevam.

Translation: To say that awareness is the absolute truth is a point to be laughed at thrice. Even the view or sight of the seer is similar to awareness).

Explanation: This theory of relativity is mainly based on the view of the seer. The view or sight of the seer is also mithya even in the relative plane like awareness. The reason is that the view is a specific style of awareness only. Seeing, hearing etc. are the various modes of awareness only. In such a case, how can the seer discuss about the absolute plane? With respect to the primordial energy itself, the view (drishti) is a relative truth even in the present relative plane of existence of the world (vyavahaara dasha). How can this view become an authority to talk about the relative existence of the primordial energy in the absolute plane, when the entire world is converted into inert primordial energy in which the seer and the sight have also become a trace of inert primordial energy?

Hence any seer should limit himself or herself to the present existing relative plane only. Therefore, twice impossible for the seer to become the absolute truth before which even the primordial energy stands as a relative truth only in the absolute plane. The primordial energy is the daughter of the absolute truth and the view (awareness) is the daughter of the primordial energy.

It is twice impossible for the awareness to become the absolute truth. The granddaughter cannot even become her mother and is aspiring to become her grandmother! This is a point to be laughed twice. Advaitins say that the granddaughter is already the grandmother, when there is no possibility of the granddaughter becoming the grandmother at anytime in the future. Hence, the statement of the Advaitins is a point to be laughed at thrice!



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Omkaradatta | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 18:41
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You stare blankly at the finger pointing at the moon, and then laugh and say that it is not a moon but only a finger. Then you come to a forum and talk about how laughable it is that somebody thinks a finger is a moon, and yet it is only your own misunderstanding that you laugh at.

Phroggy | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 20:53
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Just love it

Datta ji we love you. Not for what we gain from loving you(since there is nothing to gain from reading your posts)we just do. Because that is what we do..love.

Michaelji Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 21:07
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We do indeed. Datta seeks clarity and understanding as we all do and is doing what he must do for that to happen. I must say that his devotion is remarkable.

Phroggy | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 00:36
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Thats what I see

We have to hand it to him...even in cutting and pasting it takes time and somebody's words are being spread like wild fire. So good for him. I hope it brings him joy.

Michaelji Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 05:46
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God is not awareness

Simply based on the wish to create the world, you should not decide that God is awareness. God can do everything, whereas the awareness cannot do everything.

God can wish anything and also can burn anything simultaneously. Awareness can only think anything but cannot burn anything. If you say that God is awareness, since God wished, you have to say that God is fire since He burns anything. God is the source of all items, all qualities and all works in the creation. By the order of God only, a specific item is associated with a specific quality and corresponding specific work. The fire is an entity. Its quality is heat. Its work is to burn anything. The fire is associated with the property of heat and the work of burning only by the will of the Lord.

If God wishes, the fire is no more hot and cannot burn anything. If God wishes, the water gets the property of heat and starts burning everything.

You can identify the entity through the specific property or specific work based on the already sanction of God. Since God is the creator of all entities, all properties and all works, God can attain any quality and can do any work. In such a case, you have to conclude that God is every item in this creation. The Brahma Sutra (Ikshateh…) means, that God enters the item qualified by awareness.

It means that God does not enter into a non-living being. The awareness is the broad step of the address of God existing in the specific medium. This is the basic point where Advaitins slipped and their basic confusion continued throughout their philosophy.

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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dattaswami2 | Wed, 02/11/2009 - 17:21
Omkaradatta | Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:12
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God

Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Fri, 02/13/2009 - 19:18
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Let us Laugh

Hi Swamiji
You are not analyzing the whole point. You said that awareness cannot do anything and god can do anything. Therefore awareness is not god. Good, let it be like that. What you try to say is god can do anything and everything and awareness cannot. Your concept of god resembles Christian and Islamic religion. You have already defined god as an entity or a person who controls everything, yours is just belief in a god who does everything according to his or her fancy. If you can come out of such belief, again you will laugh, you will laugh at you, for you were under the spell of misunderstanding up until now. Best of luck and try to meditate at least an hour every day.
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Malini

Malini | Tue, 03/23/2010 - 23:11