Spirituality and Words

Omkaradatta's picture

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So much talk is happening on this website, and other so-called spiritual websites and forums.

Yet, true spirituality takes place entirely in Silence. When the mind can be quiet and keep quiet, miracles can and do happen.

Often we experience this on an everyday basis when listening to the symphony (or other wordless music), but are unaware of it. It is far less likely to happen when we are aware, due to fear. Yet if we can drop our attachment to thought, to the mind, it becomes far more likely.

One way to drop this attachment is to end the search, to drop spirituality altogether (when we are ready). Reality has nothing whatsoever to do with thoughts about reality, as much as it may seem that it does.

Eventually, we grow tired of the mental noise we call "spirituality". When that happens, spirituality is found. It had never gone anywhere. It is here, it is now, it is us.

sangeeta's picture

silence and spirituality

Yes I agree that lot of talks taking place. Solitude is the key to find atman as sages from ancient age said. Its fine that as initial stage we discuss but soon we find all these talks futile as they only create chaos in mind, Nourish ego. Instead, we should just learn to listen to all, but stick to one path. In Kenopanishad, the 3rd mantra says, atman can not known by logic. Awakening happens only when mind rests. To put mind to rest you need to fill your mind with one thought. The atman, happiness is within. Lesser the chaos, better the concentration.

Good thought!

sangeeta | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 05:25
david's picture

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I think it is maybe "Lesser the annoyance from chaos, better the concentration" or "More the acceptance of chaos better the concentration".

Trying to fight chaos just creates more chaos (more internal conflict).

david | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 05:33
Phroggy's picture

I think that thinking is useless...oh, wait...

Hi Sangeeta
Yes, I agree that logic and mental activity cannot bring about Realization. The really funny thing is that they also cannot stop it. The sage is not averse to logic and thinking, it's just that, for him, it's rarely necessary. However, the seeker is not a sage, and so the tool of mind needs to be used until it is no longer needed. I received this yesterday as one of those daily quote thingys:

"Suffering is a call for enquiry, all pain needs investigation. Don't
be lazy to think."

From a more personal perspective, these forums are an opportunity for intuitive clarity. I don't just go into the thinking mind and parrot something in response. I look intuitively every time to see if there is more clarity. (Leo's 'space' in the writing) If it takes an hour of 'silence' to do this, you won't mind. What you do with the "chaos" that results is up to you.

What is required for Realization is not what some guru tells you is required, it's whatever is happening. The reason for this is that you aren't causing it to happen, you just think you are.


Phroggy | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 19:00
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Condemning words is the same as overusing words

What is true spirituality? If you have a "true" spirituality categorized in your mind then check whether spirituality has become a concept for you and is not what it is anymore.

Condemning the usage of words is the same as overusing words. It's a tool the same way silence is a tool. Miracles happen when we don't need both tools anymore.

Don't be afraid from words but make sure you do not misuse them for pure mind gratification.

abra | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 05:36
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Look again and you will see the silence here

This is important: you regard words and silence as mutually exclusive. If there are words there is no silence, if there is silence there are no words.

These are your concepts through which you look at things. Take off your concept-glasses for a minute and look again at this website: Do you see the background beyond the words? among the words? within the words? do you see the pauses the writers had before they started typing and in between and afterwards? Do you hear the silence pervading in the static snapshot of the website you currently have on your screen?

You can inspect in the same way not only this magical website but also reality "outside".

leo | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 07:55
Phroggy's picture

I demand silence or else!

Ohhh, very nicely put, Leo. Yes, I'm in agreement with almost all the comments here. To begin with, the notion that since silence is apparently the answer, that all we have to do is be silent, assumes there is either an all powerful ego that merely needs to declare silence and all becomes still, or silence has been turned into a practice used to bring about a result.

As long as you believe you are a person who is in opposition to the world and can create happiness, silence is just the latest method intended to bring that about. When we get over our childish notions that there is a right way and a wrong way for ego to cause enlightenment, then we can start paying attention to what's going on and stop trying to control it. In this attention is clarity.

Silence is not the absence of noise or talking or anything else. Silence can happen while riding a jackhammer. It's the openning of a space in which all things are free to come and go and it doesn't matter; nothing is grasped. Even thoughts and words can happen in that space because you aren't the thoughts and words, you're the space.


Phroggy | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 18:44
Omkaradatta's picture

Words and silence

"This is important: you regard words and silence as mutually exclusive."

The absence of thought is not the same as its presence. However, I do not regard them as mutually exclusive.

"Do you see the background beyond the words? among the words? within the words?"

I'm afraid not. Folks are very fond about talking about 'between the words', "behind the words", etc. etc. I see black words on a white/grey background, with nothing whatsoever between, behind, within, beneath or beside them ;-).

"do you see the pauses the writers had before they started typing and in between and afterwards?"

No, I do not... and I hate to say it, but any such "seeing" is purely imaginary. You are staring at a computer screen and dreaming.

This faux 'deepness' and 'meaningfulness' assigned to spiritual words and concepts (including the supposed stuff between/behind them) is all one gets, until Silence speaks louder than words. When it does, you'll see how silly all this talk is.


Omkaradatta | Fri, 08/08/2008 - 22:04
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This is the nature of this medium

Words and discussions are the nature of this medium... Silence is not... For silence you do not need these cables and HTML...

Through this medium, people get to know new spiritual concepts and methods...

It is like a one big mass satsang.... :-)

I wouldn't (yet) compare this website to most of the other discussion boards, groups and communities that have so much chitchat and new age baloney or to the spiritual websites that usually there is someone there dictating and moderating the agenda...

And by the way you are a part of the talking here... Be careful not to spit into the well you are drinking from... :-)

nathan | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 08:28
Omkaradatta's picture

A well called Being

I'm actually drinking from a different well altogether, so I don't mind spitting into this one from time to time ;-).

Your perception that I'm a part of the talk here is mistaken, although it may seem "obvious" to you. Perhaps more importantly, the perception that *you're* a part of the talk here is also mistaken. It would be more accurate to say that the talk here is part of You.


Omkaradatta | Fri, 08/08/2008 - 22:25
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We are more in silence here

90% of the time we are in silence here, after hours of silence we post a comment or a blog for you to read so that you will not get bored and that is what you see so you think that 90% of the time we talk but actually what you see is only 10% of us.

We thought of posting blank comments but then realized that a blank comment is also a kind of talking... :-)

Now seriously, I don't know about you but I quite often enter the online temple and there I am in silence and still within the compound of this website which i consider as a spiritual virtual home for me.


Tania | Thu, 08/07/2008 - 10:26