ammassridhar's picture

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Critical times test the faith of the devotee. He who has faith in the
Lord must pass through the fire of suffering. Suffering is not
misfortune; it helps one to grow. Suffering and pain open the door to
wisdom. "Not to be hurt by others", is more difficult than, "not to
hurt others". Blessed are those that suffer because suffering helps
them to evolve quickly - suffering is the substance of spiritual life.

The individual soul is a business man - his karmas (actions) are his
commerce - good and bad fruits of his good and bad actions are his
profit and loss. The world is his business house. Think well and
judge what is right before you act. Involuntary, unintentional or
unconscious actions do not constitute karma, because volition is the
most import ant factor in determining karma, and here it is absent.

Sin is only a mistake, misdirected energy. Mistakes are lessons in
wisdom. The essence of evil and sin is belief in things that perish.

The essence of religion is truth and the essence of law is virtue.
Two birds, inseparable friends, cling to the same tree. One of them
eats sweet and bitter fruits and the other watches without eating.

The tree is the body. One bird is the individual soul who enjoys the
fruits of his actions - pleasure and pain. The other bird is the Lord
who remains as a witness without eating.

Respect of the soul is praiseworthy. Respect of the body is
despicable. A scientist conquers external nature but a yogi conquers
the mind and internal nature. The sinner of today is the saint of
tomorrow. Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.

Your goal is God. Your centre is God. Your ideal is God. Turn back to
God and realise everlasting bliss. Resting on him you will be saved.

As the lamp cannot burn without oil, so too, you cannot live without
God. God is within you all the time, inspiring you, lifting you up.
Withdraw. Aspire. Meditate. Realise.

-- Swami Sivananda Saraswathy

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Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Karma eliminates sinners and saints alike.

You say involuntary unintentional or unconscious actions is not karma, but I disagree.

Every action of every life is intentional. The requirement to eat consumes another life is intentional, the being eaten is intentional, so how can we even suggest some acts are involuntary?

A life enters the earth eating and is eaten which is karma. They interact with others of their life type which is karma. They interact with other life types which is karma. I don't see any involuntary actions by any type of life to allow for sinning nor sainthood.

Every life is predestined to follow one of [I estimate] 750,000,000 different sequences when they manifest in the material plane. They each must continue to incarnate for a predetermined time as each life type and migrate through every life type until they, as man, are qualified to become what is often called angels, god and holy ghost by the Christian religion. Those actions are all kiarma induced eliminating sinners and saints.

Elijah "NatureBoy"--If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission. Now, reason the differences in our concepts and reason that until you have reasoned all pros and cons and integrated them.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 09/11/2008 - 01:46
avi's picture

karma can get into effect only when we are unconscious

There is nothing mystical in karma, no cosmic rewards or punishments. It is merely the mechanism of conditionings, of samskaras, impressions that mechanize us to do/feel/react something as a result of something else. Many such results of these conditionings are suffering due to certain "harm" we did to others simply because certain "harm" actions create conflict and turmoil within us as part of the conditionings system. This is the reason why people tend to believe that there is some cosmic rewarder there in karma.

Karma can only get into effect when we are NOT conscious. Only then the robotic mechanism can react. When we are aware, present, conscious then the karma conditionings can not take effect. See for yourself, how your automatic reactions cease when you are present.

avi | Thu, 09/11/2008 - 02:24
mayasurfer's picture


I might be wrong but I see the world in which I live as the consequence of my past actions. I'm buried in my Karma and can't be free as long as I keep creating new Karma... creating new Karma simply keeps the illusion of the "I" going. To stop creating new Karma I feel I need to stop clinging and being so stop taking things so seriously... to accept myself just a I am, to accept existence just as it is and to surrender into what is. I lost a lot of money this year.. it seems to be the logical outcome of not needing it any longer. Karma seems to work like that...what you don't need any more will go away and what you still need will come. Accepting your Karma is the way out...letting things happen instead of making them happen, adapting to what is, bearing injury, bearing insult, being available, open, soft, pliable, flexible.... flowing with your world/Karma/existence...with awareness!!! No more Karma, no more world, no more "I", no more dream, no more Maya.... free. Can it be that simple?

mayasurfer | Sun, 11/23/2008 - 09:29
Phroggy's picture


Sounds pretty good to me.

Phroggy | Sun, 11/23/2008 - 20:54