Self-Realization

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Self-Realization in its broadest sense means the highest possible evolution of an individual being in his lifetime. In another sense it also means the highest knowledge that can ever be achieved by man. In either of these two meanings Self-Realization stands for the highest development - psychological and philosophical, or mental and spiritual.

-By Swami Vishu Tirth Ji Maharaj, in "Devatma Shakti".



Annie's picture

Realization is a tragedy for the individual being

I wouldn't say that it is an evolution for the individual, maybe for the soul, the universe, to whatever but self realization means a terrible tragedy for the individual person - the opposite of what he was planning: it's extinction as such. If the individual and his ego truly understood what realization was all about for them they would have distant from any involvement in spiritual practices right away. Luckily the basic nature of the individual and his ego is ignorance and pride that strives to achieve something so they think it is them that will achieve the glory of self realization, realization they cannot have an idea what it is all about. And when it comes they are not there anymore to brag with achievements they had no contribution to.

It's like saying to someone: hey, jump from this 1-mile high cliff to the valley down there and I will give you then 1-million dollars and interviews with the press.

Annie | Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:46
dora's picture

Luckily

Luckily, something tricks the mind and ego to the trap using the same candies they are attached to.

dora | Sat, 01/10/2009 - 12:54
Omkaradatta's picture

Individual person

There never was an individual person. There is the Self, overlaid with the notion of individual person-hood and attached to it. Thus, Realization is a tragedy for nobody... it's a celebration. But ego is afraid.

P.S. to lose personal identity is to gain universal identity... thus it's like trading a candle for the sun. But the candle thinks that without it, there will be no light. It's absurd, but how could the candle know?

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sat, 01/10/2009 - 21:41
Annie's picture

Like life insurance - the perspective counts

Of course there is no mind, no individual, no form in the true essence of being but this does not matter much to the individual as long as he is not realized, e.g. that does not make you run to the street when there is a car passing by and does not make you not developing love relationships..

As long as someone believes that he is an individual person, as long as he is suffering as such because of such - there is an individual person that suffers. The perspective is what counts not the truth on the paper. And from that perspective of that who believes deep inside that he is individual and therefore does not run to the street when there is a passing car and develops relationships, realization means his extinction and this is the tragedy, the suicide. What drives people to yearn to realization is not self extinction, it is the unconscious belief of their ego to gain some eternal bliss, happiness, getting free from suffering, no death and also reputation, to be a teacher and other petty wishes. True some of these will be achieved but it is not them, the person, the ego, the mind that will achieve it. They will not be there as consciousness to enjoy the fruits.

It's like life insurance - the money will be received only in the condition that you will die.

P.S. There is no one there at that point to gain any identity, not universal and not non-universal. The sentence about the candle on the other hand is beautiful.

Annie | Sat, 01/10/2009 - 22:42
Omkaradatta's picture

I agree

> As long as someone believes that he is an
> individual person, as long as he is suffering
> as such because of such - there is an individual
> person that suffers.

Yes, I agree, and the compassion for suffering beings only increases 'after' realization. It changes from compassion mainly just for one suffering being (oneself) to compassion for all suffering beings.

There's nothing wrong with ego's excessive self-interest... it's actually normal and natural. Only, the self-concept is extremely limited -- to one body/mind only. After realization, such self-interest is for everyone, as all are the Self. Looking out for 'number one' becomes looking out for the universe. There are no others... all is one-Self.

P.S. And because there's no "you" (others), there's no "me" (small self) either. This is where people get confused, thinking they need to get rid of themselves. On the contrary, you need to get rid of others and their influence on you. There never were any others, they've always been 'you'. Go within, and you will find.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sat, 01/10/2009 - 23:08
gentlyok's picture

Realization

With this understanding can come a love the depth and breath of which seems to have no limits, no boundaries. A love affair that has been there all along. Only, there is no object, no other, just all that is including who you thought you were. A love which no words can describe.

gentlyok | Sat, 01/10/2009 - 21:37
mayasurfer's picture

love

beautifully said even if words can't describe it. How much longer...even if it is already there. Thank you.

mayasurfer | Mon, 01/12/2009 - 10:50
Omkaradatta's picture

This understanding

All is clear and bright, deep and spacious, gentle and silent and at peace -- ever new, fresh, intimate and promising. The pairs of opposites are reconciled there, and are ultimately identical. Light is darkness, and darkness is light. Form is emptiness, and emptiness, form. Life is death, and death is life. Speech is silence, and silence is speech. There are no edges, and no boundaries. Nothing more to add.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Mon, 01/12/2009 - 12:33
genep's picture

Self Realization lost in time, duality

I suffer from prolonged periods of horrible sanity.
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"Self-Realization in its broadest sense means the highest possible evolution of an individual being in his lifetime. In another sense it also means the highest knowledge that can ever be achieved by man. In either of these two meanings Self-Realization stands for the highest development - psychological and philosophical, or mental and spiritual."
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evolution, achievement, is based on "future," time, duality: a duality that makes everything in non-duality, Advaita, absurd, if not meaningless, if not a joke.

if there is a realization then it happens
"when nothing happens
so that reality can lose its reality" O'no

gp

genep | Thu, 03/12/2009 - 19:00