Seeking hurts

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Folks have posted on the forums here wondering when it's time to stop seeking, and (I suspect) have wondered whether or not I quit doing so myself a bit too early. The fact is, I cannot seek anything for long anymore... it *hurts*. It's actually "physically" painful to seek anything here.

The Beingness in you has a native intelligence, and is constantly purging itself of whatever is foreign to it. The reason you get uncomfortable if you sit still for too long without any goals is that you're getting in touch with the Beingess, and it is literally toxified by your various hopes, dreams, thoughts, and emotional states.

Dwelling in the Beingess, it informs you immediately when something 'foreign' enters, through discomfort. It is incredibly sensitive, as its native state is at rest. You are hurting yourself badly on a constant basis by stirring up the Beingness, thus you cannot even get in touch with it for long.

The only way around this is to return to the Beingess again and again, until it becomes comfortable to abide in it. Then, it will itself inform you what is natural to it, and what isn't.



Phroggy's picture

Sacred cowshit

"The reason you get uncomfortable if you sit still for too long without any goals is that you're getting in touch with the Beingess, and it is literally toxified by your various hopes, dreams, thoughts, and emotional states."

Obviously, it's just the opposite. You get uncomfy because ego is not being stimulated. Seeking hurts because finding is the end of the seeker. As long as the seeking has to do with holy cows and sacred hills and ball spitting gurus, everything is fine. When it gets too close to the flame, it starts to sweat.

Phroggy | Wed, 09/03/2008 - 23:57
Omkaradatta's picture

It's all in the angle you view it from...

> You get uncomfy because ego
> is not being stimulated.

As 'ego' is 'you', what is it that's *really* getting uncomfy around you (ego)?

The Beingness. It is getting uncomfy because you (ego) ARE stimulated.

It's all in the 'stance' you're viewing it from. If you're taking a stance in ego, you see it your way. From within the Beingness, it is the opposite.

It doesn't matter a whit how you view it. What matters is to abide in the beingness, until it begins to inform you naturally and automatically when ego is raising its head. Why does this matter? Obviously, because your troubles are effectively over at this point.

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 09/04/2008 - 00:19
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I would just add...

If you don't like holy cows and sacred hills and ball spitting gurus, why read about them? It seems to me you're very concerned about spirituality, and not as concerned about the truth as you let on.

If it's the truth you want, forget everything else and abide in the Beingness. Be Present. If you prefer "spirituality" and feeling good about yourself because you don't fall for tricks and such, that's what you'll get: Feeling good about yourself, feeling superior. Psychology, just as you noted in another posting.

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 09/04/2008 - 02:16
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Do you seriously not see ego

Do you seriously not see ego struggling to be right and to discredit the one who is pointing out your misperception? I'm not out to bludgeon any egos. Ego's are just ignorant thoughts. I'm more interested in noticing those ignorant thoughts, whether they're happeing in 'my' head or some 'other' head.

Phroggy | Thu, 09/04/2008 - 07:20
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Answer

I seriously do not see ego struggling to be right, to discredit someone, etc. I see a computer screen with words on it. It's your dream, friend... dream on ;-).

I'd say you're creating "ignorant thoughts" in order to enjoy "noticing" them. Such is the nature of seeking...

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 09/04/2008 - 09:40
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I think the reason for feeling uncomfortable is simpler

I think the reason for feeling uncomfortable when you meditate is simpler. When you sit still the mind is forced to stop playing with its thought toys, it calls it "boredom". As mind is merely the thoughts themselves and nothing more, when there is a danger of no thoughts, it means for the mind a threat to its survival and thus immediately responds in triggering a sense of anxiety like any entity in nature does.

The trick is to watch this anxiety and dis-identfy with it. Then it can still be there, and you can continue to meditate.

lilian | Thu, 09/04/2008 - 07:04
kalgo's picture

Seeking may inflict pain but not necessarily suffering

Indeed seeking inflicts pain. I would avoid the usage of the term "hurts" because to some it means leaving in you permanent bruises. It inflicts pain as unfortunately development comes through friction, otherwise our stubborn psyche will not move an inch.

In the beginning, this pain is translating into suffering, this is a hard phase. But soon, if we indeed follow a genuine spiritual path (and not for example a rigid religious path which teaches discipline and resistance to what one feels) we encounter the acceptance of what-is and then pain may continue but we are not identified with it and so we do not suffer. There is still pain there but no suffering. We live happily side by side with the pain and can continue our spiritual voyage more easily with extra energy.

For me, this transformation into having pain without suffering was like a miracle. A true miracle.

kalgo | Thu, 09/04/2008 - 07:51
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Zakly. To identify with it

Zakly. To identify with it is to go into the past and future with it in the mind. 'This shouldn't have happened. Who's responsible. When is it going to end. How can I stop it.' This is the resistance to what IS, projected by the ego self in the thoughts, and this is suffering. In the 'present' moment, there is no suffering, just sensation.

(Easier said than done, but an excellent and powerful focus, as you imply.)

Phroggy | Thu, 09/04/2008 - 17:21