Religious truth is individual truth part -2

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This Ataman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Ataman—by him alone is Ataman attained. It is Ataman that reveals to the seeker Its true nature. [ 3 –page-70 Mundaka Upanishad Upanishads by Nikilanada]
The above passages further proves that: self-knowledge cannot be attained by study of the Vedas and intellectual understanding or by bookish knowledge. Therefore there is no use of studying the Vedas and other scriptures in order to acquire the non-dual wisdom. That is why Buddha rejected the scriptures, and even Sri, Sankara indicated that, the truth lies beyond religion, concept of god and scriptures.
For the same reason Raman Maharshi said fortunate are the one who do not lose themselves in the labyrinths of philosophy. Bhagwan says: Take Vedanta, for instance: it speaks of 15 pranas the names and functions of it which the student is asked to commit memory. Will it not be sufficient if he thought only one prana does the whole work of maintaining the body? Again the antakaran is said to think, to desire, to will, to reason etc. Why all these details? Has anyone seen antakarana, or all these pranas? Do they really exist? They are conceptual divisions invented by teachers of philosophy by their excessive analysis. Where do all these concepts end? Why should confusion created and then explained away? Fortunate is the man who does not lose him self in the labyrinths of philosophy, but goes straight to the source from which they all arise. (GURU RAMANA .By S.S Cohen -vii Danger of philosophy-Page -58-59)
Raman Mahrshi further explains [in page 111/112- practical guide to know your self]:-
Q: D: Is it not necessary to study the Vedas or at least Prastnatraya[Bagvad gita.Dasoponishad and Brahma Sutra all with commentaries] to ensure firm reazation?
A: Bhagvan: - No. Do you need all that to see yourself? All that is intellectual wealth, useful in explain doubts and difficulties if others rise them if you yourself encounter them in course of thinking. But to attain realization, all that is not necessary. You want fresh water to drink, but you do not require all the water of the river Ganges to quench your quest.

They alone in this world are endowed with the highest wisdom who are firm in their conviction of the sameness and birthlessness of Ataman. The ordinary man does not understand their way. [Chapter IV — Alatasanti Prakarana 95-P-188 in Upanishads by Nikilanada]
This passage indicates the fact that everything is Ataman/spirit. The one who views and judges the worldview on the base of his birth /body will not realize the fact that, the man including the world is created sustained and finally dissolves as Ataman. Thus Ataman alone is, and all else is mirage.
Thus self-knowledge is the aim of every human being. Since everyone thinks the physical body is the self their aim is misdirected and they focus their attention on materiality, which makes one feel the duality [waking] as reality.
Millions are in search of the ultimate truth, and only one in million will be able to grasp and realize it. By focusing more attention on Ataman by talking, writing, discussing only of Ataman, the conviction grows and becomes firmer and the duality will fade away as reality. Ataman/sprit which is one’s true identity will prevail as birth-less and deathless, eternal substance and witness of the mirage called duality.
Therefore, there is no need to follow religion, study scriptures, or indulge in god and guru glorification or performing religious rituals in pursuit of truth. Since, they are not the means to acquire non-dual wisdom. It is only waste of time and effort to indulge in those things.

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"Therefore, there is no need to follow religion, study scriptures, or indulge in god and guru glorification or performing religious rituals in pursuit of truth. Since, they are not the means to acquire non-dual wisdom. It is only waste of time and effort to indulge in those things"

If religion is useless for you, then let it be so. To convince others that religion is useless for them is error. Sri Anandamayi Ma was a wonderful example of Self in religion.

If one were to look at a blade of grass in the proper way, Self would be realized. The same holds true for any religion. Every path is a path to Self. There is no escaping it. You can neti neti yourself full circle and realize this too.

B-friend | Thu, 02/11/2010 - 07:46
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Re: Nonsense

In Isa Upanishad says:

Scholars say that the path of Avidya [performing Aganihotra and other sacrifices] and the path of vidya [worshipping gods and goddesses] produce different results. Wise men confirm this. [X]

Vidya and Avidya both are hindrances to Self-knowledge, but Vidya is even worse than Avidya. The word Vidya is used here in a special sense; here it means worshipping gods and goddesses. By worshipping gods and goddesses you will go after death to the world of gods and goddesses. But will that help you? The time you spend there is wasted, because if you were not there you could have spent that time moving forward towards Self-knowledge, which is your goal. In the world of gods and goddesses you cannot do that, and thus you go deeper and deeper into darkness.

Avidya is Karama and therefore a hindrance. You perform Avidya - i.e., you perform Agnihotra and other sacrifices. This is a roundabout way of purifying the mind, and it is also groping in the dark. But it may not have as heavy a toll on your time and energy as the other.

Therefore, it is not necessary for the seekers of truth to indulge in in religion, god glorification,scriptural studies in pursuit of truth. For emotionally and sentimentally people involved with religion may find it nonsense. They are free to follow their own path.

santthosh kumaar | Thu, 02/11/2010 - 08:15
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good points

I agree on many points you have made. To speak of the illusory nature of the heavens and hells created by man is cheerfully received too. These worlds exist just as this world does. And to advise to not waste time in seeking the heavens is full of wisdom as well. Ramana too, though, spoke of higher regions where one can achieve realization. To deny these higher regions for others is unnecessary though. As with any thing the mind will focus on, worshiping of Gods and Goddesses does have it's traps. So to does philosophy and non-dualist thought. Ramana also spoke of God and guru as being very powerful aids towards realization. Who's to say that the heavens aren't aids as well? It seems that one's parabdha is the determining factor of what is necessary for realization.

B-friend | Thu, 02/11/2010 - 20:39