The real meaning of Jesus statement

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The unimaginable God enters the energetic form and is called as the Father of heaven. The same unimaginable God enters a materialized human form and is called as the human incarnation. Narayana is the energetic form charged by the unimaginable God. Krishna is the materialized human form charged by the same unimaginable God. From the point of content, both Narayana and Krishna are one and the same. From the point of the container or the charged medium, both differ. Since energy is first and matter is the subsequent, you can say that Krishna came from Narayana from the point of the medium. Matter is condensed energy.

Similarly, Jesus is materialized human form charged by the unimaginable God and the father of heaven is energetic form charged by the same unimaginable God. From the point of content, the unimaginable God, Jesus and father of heaven are one and the same and this is stated by Jesus that He and His father are one and the same. From the point of the charged medium, Jesus is the son of the father of heaven, since the matter came from energy by condensation. From the point of the medium, Jesus said that He is the son of God.

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Something like this...?

Matter being condensed emptiness, then all experience of matter or objects, including thoughts, would seem to point only back to the consciousness that registers it.

Before any of this it seems that emptiness or no-thing-ness may be awareness with an object. Jesus is one such object to himself. He points backwards in saying that the kindgom of heaven is within...yes? He used the words and metaphors of his time. Jesus is exactly the consciousness to which the senses point. On this consciousness lies the concept of God which, in awareness, is the condensation of emptiness.

When you and I "drink from his mouth" as he suggests we do, we know ourselves just as he does.

Jesus was a cool one for sure!

drenchedstone | Wed, 07/28/2010 - 20:37
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How to reconcile the statement of Jesus that He is Son of God &

How to reconcile the statement of Jesus that He is Son of God & He and Father are the same

Matter is the condensed form of energy and hence, the energy can be treated as Father and matter as son. The Father of heaven is the energetic form charged by the unimaginable God. Jesus is the materialized matter-form charged by the same unimaginable God. From the point of view of medium, He told that He is the son of God and from the point of view of internal unimaginable God He told that He and His Father are one and the same.

The human incarnation (God in human form who comes to this world and present now) is a single phase of two components, which are God and soul. It is an alloy of Gold and copper. If a trace of Gold is mixed in copper, still it is alloy but it looks like copper only. Similarly, the human incarnation looks like an ordinary human being in which the invisible – unimaginable God is alloyed. This type of combination makes the medium always exhibited with its properties like birth, death, hunger etc. If the properties of the medium are suppressed and the properties of God are exhibited, people get excited and cannot clarify their doubts with the human incarnation. This is the merit of this concept but defect is that people generally neglect the human incarnation based on this very same point.

But, the merit is more important because the primary purpose of human incarnation is to clarify the doubts of the devotees. Arjuna questioned Krishna in several ways and got the points clarified freely because Krishna was in human form. If Krishna started explaining the Bhagavad Gita through energetic form (Vishwarupam), Arjuna could not have asked even one question due to extensive excitement. The God component in the human incarnation speaks that He is God. But, people see the human incarnation as human being only. Then there are two ways of the reaction of the human beings. Either they say that the human incarnation is only a human being and not God or they say that every human being is God. The first way is offensive and the second way is defensive. In the first way, people crucified Jesus. The offensive way is also mentioned in the Gita (Avajaananti maam…). Mohammad refused this concept of human incarnation since the people were continuing in the offensive nature only.

The defensive way was taken by Shankara. In His time, people were also atheists with ego and jealousy. He subsided their reaction by taking the defensive way. You can understand the human incarnation only by recognizing the two components. Whenever Jesus told that He is truth and light, it is the God component that spoke those words. Whenever Jesus told ‘Let Thy will be done.’, ‘Why did You leave Me?’ etc., it is the soul the component that spoke these words. The two components were clearly demonstrated by Krishna. Bhagavad Gita was told by God component. After the war, when Arjuna asked to repeat the same, the soul component spoke Anu Gita, which was only an exposition of a scholar. The Bhagavad Gita was told by God component and Anu Gita was told by soul component.

Whenever God speaks, the soul in the human incarnation is forced to be dumb. Sometimes, even the soul in the human incarnation may claim that it is God and in such case, it will be insulted and punished. This happened in the case of Parashurama, who thought that he killed all the kings. He was insulted and punished by Rama. When this is the case of the soul present in the human incarnation, what about the case of souls present in the human beings? Such souls will be punished in the hell for reformation. Sometimes the soul in the human incarnation may keep silent when he is praised as God by the devotees. The silence is forced on the soul by the God. If the soul reveals the truth, the devotees may be deeply hurt and pained. They prayed God to see Him and to speak with Him. Therefore, the secrecy of technique of the human incarnation should be maintained by the soul. However, such silence should not mislead the soul to think that it is really God or is transformed in to God really. In the alloy, the atoms of Gold remain as Gold and the atoms of copper remain as copper. Neither Gold became copper nor vice-versa.

You should limit the example within some boundaries and you should not analyze the example deeply. Infact, the Gold and copper are inter-convertible by artificial transmutation and this point should not be brought here to spoil the concept. If you take like that with extensive analysis, there can be no simile to God. All the items in the creation are imaginable and cannot be compared to unimaginable God. Therefore, you should not cross the limits of the simile in understanding the concept about God. The science is blessed to the human beings by God to understand the spiritual knowledge in deeper real sense. But, the human beings diverted the science to create more facilities. Infact, God has created all the facilities based on balance of nature leading to perfect health. All the inventions of science for the extra facilities proved to be harmful by the environmental science, which clearly proves that these inventions are not the intentions of God to bless the human beings with advanced scientific knowledge.
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dattaswami2 | Thu, 07/29/2010 - 02:19
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"When one has an image about

"When one has an image about oneself one is surely insane, one lives in a world of illusion."
J. Krishnamurti,

drenchedstone | Thu, 07/29/2010 - 17:30