Nothing is a dream until you wake up

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Nothing is a dream until you wake up.

This is maybe the only irrefutable claim with regard to reality.

As opposed to the so many claims about reality which we, spiritual people, sometimes tend to present unintentionally as facts while they are only beliefs, probable assumptions, hypothesis.

By experience we know that simply claiming that we are in a dream while within the dream does not trigger awakening.

Otherwise all of us would have been awakened already.

This unfortunate fact can even strengthen the counter claim that we are not in a dream at all.

But nevertheless we must insist. It's our core whim. It's our conscious right to have a spiritual neurosis.

Therefore, the way to awaken is to first admit that the true tools we have at our disposal are those available within the reality suspected as dream, within what is called relative reality. Limited tools indeed but that's the only tools we have.

And then to use these tools wisely.

It is maybe not what we wished the path to be. It is maybe harder and more awkward than what we expected.

But nothing is a dream until you wake up.

Including the path. Including the tools.

vsrinivasan1879's picture


Once you wake up you will not discuss the dream. You will reaise nothing was there and you had never dreamt. Till then enjoy the DREAMS.

vsrinivasan1879 | Fri, 07/24/2009 - 06:35
Phroggy's picture


A very subtle distinction you see, unlikely to have been culled from a book. Hmmmmm.....

Phroggy | Fri, 07/24/2009 - 07:13
silencio's picture

Lucid dream?

I agree. Like our sleeping dreams.

But how can one enjoy a nightmare?

Therefore, I think there should be some belief that hey I'm in a dream. There are all kinds of clues, hints of inconsistency, inexplicable happenings if you are attentive and the Quantum Physics which goes bananas according to traditional science... Of course nothing is decisive... Therefore I say a bit of belief and a healthy suspicion and based on my experience these lead to more strange phenomena happening around you (after all, another solid assumption is that you create reality) which makes the suspicion even greater...

silencio | Fri, 07/24/2009 - 08:33
Omkaradatta's picture


> Once you wake up you will not
> discuss the dream.

Funny... 'the dream' seems to be about all Nisargadatta and Ramana (et al.) ever talked about. Maybe that isn't correct.

Somehow, it bothers folks that 'the awake' could be among them. Probably jealousy that comes from seeking and desiring a state different from 'what is', now. If so, it's a very petty and trivial reason for saying such things.

Omkaradatta | Fri, 07/24/2009 - 12:09
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Addition - you can ask for help from beyond the dream

Someone is asleep near you and by the impressions on his face you realize that he is having a nightmare.

Out of compassion, you gently shake his shoulders to wake him up. If he still does not wake up, you shake him harder and harder until he does.

This is what the satguru does from beyond the dream and except of the tools within the dream, you can also call the satguru and ask for his grace to wake you up. Unconsciously you call the satguru with the impressions of suffering on your face, consciously you can call him by simply praying to him with your request. It works.


lalo | Fri, 07/24/2009 - 19:44
Omkaradatta's picture

I agree...

I agree, except the Satguru is not "out there" somewhere.

Rather, He is deeper within than I am.

Omkaradatta | Sun, 07/26/2009 - 09:57
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Putting the cart before the horses

It is not deeper there until you wake up. What counts is your present state and self perception. In the current "normal" state" our cognitive systems act upon the belief that the sadguru or any metaphysical assistance is out there. Any other view, no matter how strong and valid, at most will be accepted intellectually.

santana | Fri, 10/09/2009 - 09:47

Getting up

Someone who has been in deep sleep if such a deeply slept person is made to get up by other person then the person suddenly awakened found himself to have been seeing the dreams. This sleep is called the sleep of rem in science and still science has not opened the full mystery of sleeping.
Just now the science has invented the mechanism to read the brains of people; which the technique can help to scientists to know what things/matters have been seen, listen, understood etc. by the particular persons.

NIDHI PARKASH | Mon, 11/02/2009 - 16:19
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Tdreamer, dreamt that he awakened.

The same dreamer is the awakened one too...!!!


MAI | Mon, 01/07/2013 - 03:15