No Guru, No Spiritual Tradition, No light?

Michael ji Ramaprasad's picture

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Hello Brothers and Sisters,

I have come before you for advice. I have no guru, and I have no religion. I have studied intensely many gurus and religions but I have not found any to call my own. Every thing that I currently believe and write has come from within. That which resonates truth inside of me. Although I feel I have come to comprehend as much as possible the concept of oneness and truth with the mind...I know this amounts to nothing. I have not experienced truth and I have not experienced oneness, at least not often. I understand I have much to learn. What is your opinion, should I go own with my meditations and my insights with following a particular tradition? Oh will I by doing so eventually plateau. I know many of you have much more experience than me. What has your experience been. I am open to all suggestions and opinions.

Thank you and
May you be blessed.

Michael Reynolds

divine intervention's picture

a point of perspective and aim

Hi Michael,

It depends on your perspective and on what you are looking for in spirituality - to improve your quality of life? to cultivate love? to connect with god? to be more happy? to go beyond mind? to be god? to be nothing? no aim? - all these options are valid and are different for each seeker.

If you look for advancement, for change then go and look for a flesh and blood guru. Many will tell you that it is not needed, that you are not the doer and so on, and there is some truth in this, it all depends on the current perspective. But in the very basic level it is evident that our mind constantly deceives us - whatever we follow the mind tacitly presents us with new fresh customizable pitfalls to defend its regime. I am sure this is not a surprise for you as we always find these traps in retrospective, sometimes too late, sometimes after many years. A living guru is exactly meant for that: to pose an external unbiased contra to the mind that can see our mind's behavior objectively and guide us what to do.

Another type of such efficient contra is your meditations. Keep on doing them. They are a powerful tool, more powerful than any guru or philosophy as you probably have already realized if you are doing them.

Traditions and spiritual texts can also help. Why reinvent the wheel? Be open by all means, do not compare one approach against another, be fully attentive to what you read, just take everything under proportions and beware of not developing an attachment to any ideology.

I personally am not seeking enlightenment or advancement. I think that being currently the mind it is ridiculous to set this aim for something which is not the mind. I am very modest, if I have any motive it is simply to be more happy which is enough for me and is a lot. And meditation and acceptance and observations are just enough to accomplish that, easy as it may sound in view of the terrible suffering people are undergoing in this world. I am way more happy than I was two years ago before I adopted this approach and this is enough for me, what comes in addition, if comes, is welcome but I do not find the need to wish seek it actively. Life is really wonderful in this way. For this you do not need a guru, a tradition, a philosophy, a theory. You don't care if you are controlled by the mind or not, if you are deceiving yourself or not, if you are the body or not, you just know that you are happy and that is enough.

Love! :-)

divine intervention | Tue, 01/20/2009 - 22:28
mayasurfer's picture


Dear Michael
you never might already have a Guru. You never know. He/she/it appears in strange ways. I suggest you read Omkar and Phroggy's blogs and comments again and again and apply what they say to your life, you never know....

mayasurfer | Fri, 02/27/2009 - 08:42
nathan's picture

meeting gurus

Did you try meeting potential living gurus? from my experience the meetings are more potent than reading the books, there is some dimension which is unique to the presence of genuine ones, this is the meaning of the darshan which is given in silence.

At some point, the reading and understanding exhaust themselves and you get the urge for something deeper. I feel that this is the point where you are right now, isn't it?

Just do what you do when you shop for more trivial things like cloths, food and a university to study - go and try and taste and you will feel when it is the right thing for you.

nathan | Tue, 01/20/2009 - 22:41
Michael ji Ramaprasad's picture


I would love to...I have not yet had the opportunity.

Michaelji Ramaprasad

Wú Míng(nameless) in truth

Michael ji Rama... | Tue, 01/20/2009 - 23:25
superwoman's picture

Make the sacrifice and go go go

You make the opportunity, sometimes by sacrificing something else important (like income from a steady job, dreams and goals from childhood, commitments to family).

The best way is to take at least a few months, buy a flight ticket to India (it's cheaper nowadays) and that's it - you are in the Epcot Center of spirituality. No one returns from India the same, to say the least.

superwoman | Wed, 01/21/2009 - 08:55
Omkaradatta's picture

You have your Self...

Do you tend to be a loner, or 'self-directed' type? If so, go on your own. If you tend to do better with others, then go with others. That's my advice, fwiw. Follow your heart and your own inner lights about this, for ultimately you are all you have.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 01/21/2009 - 05:01
superwoman's picture

mind tendencies

The "loner" and "sociable" are tendencies of the mind. It may be advisable to do the opposite at some point in order to break the barriers of the conditioning of the mind.

superwoman | Wed, 01/21/2009 - 08:50
Omkaradatta's picture

Break mind's conditioning

The attempt to break the mind's conditioning (by doing the opposite) *is* the mind's conditioning. The mind is conditioned to 'challenge', go in the opposite direction and fight against things, rather than to accept.

If you look carefully you'll see that you do this all the time, and the idea above is just a continuation of the old conditioning. To accept something completely and "go downstream" with it all the way is the real challenge to the mind.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 01/21/2009 - 11:57
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There's already too much fixing, manipulating, control. If the personality is inwardly focused, or mentally focused, or emotional or selfish or whatever, this is a tool with which to explore, not a defect subject to behavioral reconditioning. Some guru said, if you're going to sin, sin whole heartedly. Don't do anything half way.

As Omkar suggests, the thing to remember is to let it be what it is. If you can do that, then whatever it is, will be irrelevant. The boundaries of mind are resistance boundaries only, not boundaries of personality or preference or virtue or behavior. Consider what mind would do without your precious guidance, and let it do that. What does it have to do with YOU?

Phroggy | Wed, 01/21/2009 - 22:46
mayasurfer's picture


Lucky you, no religion, no Guru... so free...stay that free. If a Guru comes, fine, if not, fine too. available to whatever comes your enough unto yourself...don't take anything too passive, open, nothing, be empty. Stop searching, BE,BE, your breath as you hear the soundscape around you as you come into the moment.. dissolve in the moment, surrender to what is...exist, don't resist...accept existence precisely as it is, let things happen, flow from Here to Here to Here. See what happens... Listening to Eckhart Tolle on youtube might help....watching your breath for a few minutes every day might help...sit in a cafe or a shopping mall and tune in to the sounds, the sights, the smells, combine that with watching your breath... helps. Try it.

mayasurfer | Wed, 01/21/2009 - 07:59
Omkaradatta's picture


"exist, don't resist..."


Omkaradatta | Wed, 01/21/2009 - 11:11
madan_gautam's picture


Just wait and see to ripe your true disciple hood and only then a GURU will appear to you.

madan_gautam | Sat, 01/24/2009 - 19:17
Nathyogi's picture

Re: No Guru, No Spiritual Tradition, No light?

You are right. Without a Guru there cannot be knowledge and light.
Search for a Guru and serve him to get light and knowledge.
Traditions come later. What matters is light.
The best way is practicing supreme devotion towards one's favourite God untill one meets one's Guru.

Nathyogi | Fri, 08/01/2014 - 05:51