My Guru,My God?

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In this era of the Kalki Age we the human beings are very much confused. We are confused about who God is and whenever someone teaches us something spiritual we start worshipping him/her like the Divine. Is it Right? Yes we must honour and always be respectful to them but is worshiping them the right way!

Let’s have a look at it and try to analyse the repercussions of this. Let’s us first understand the levels, if I may call it so.

GOD -> Avatar -> Guru -> Teacher -> The Scholar/ Disciple.

God: The Divinity and none other.

Avatar: A shadow image of divinity. The Avatar comes down for a specific purpose e.g. Krishna.

Guru: One who has some knowledge and has experienced the same. He has changed his knowledge into wisdom. He is still not the perfect one.Note: Knowledge we gather from all sources while Wisdom we receive from divinity.

Teacher: One who has knowledge, shares it with all but may not have
experienced the same. He can convey to others the knowledge.

The Scholar/Disciple: One who has knowledge, shares it but may not have experienced the same.

The Disciple: One who is ready to learn and experience so that his/her believes can be transmuted into Faith.
Note: Believes are blind, can be broken easily but Faith you have experienced and cannot be disturbed.

Note: With these as the description of the various identities we find that only the above two (GOD & AVATAR) can never make a mistake. All the other three (Guru, Teacher & Disciple) are all mistake prone. They can make mistakes and they do make mistakes, at times blunders.

When we accept the teacher or the guru as our God, we find their mistakes very, very disturbing. Without any further delay we jump into another band wagon or start criticizing them along with putting our work in jeopardy. We also start saying that all the spiritual work is a farce – A very big & wrong Karma. When we don’t worship them as Divine, this does not happen. We understand that after all they have also been born as Human Being and can make mistakes. We forgive them and ourselves at that moment.

Yes a time may come in some instance when to follow the path of the Dharma, we may have to say good bye to our teacher. We may then either follow some other or take it upon our shoulders. But that does not mean that we can denigrate the person who has given us so much. We need to be always Thankful and Grateful for all that has been given to us.

This is my opinion and rest you are the best judge to decide whatever you want. The Freewill and the Choices always are yours.

Thanks for reading the article.

Tania's picture

Confusion of definitions, not of a generation

I think that what you discuss is not a general confusion of this age but merely a confusion stemming from a confusion in your definitions, especially the cultural ladder you present as a fact. If you first make sure that each of the definitions you rely on is well validated, the confusions you mention will cease to confuse.

And as to God, given any definition of that concept God, your guru (or any other creature) is not God more than you are yourself.

Tania | Wed, 12/16/2015 - 15:43
spbagaria's picture

Tania, The question was not

The question was not about definitions but whether we accept our Guru to be God

spbagaria | Wed, 12/16/2015 - 16:27
Tania's picture

The question was not about

The question was not about definitions but was stemming from confusion in definitions as I pointed out above. Check these definitions and your question will be fully answered - the answer to your question lies in the question itself, in sweeping assumptions it's based on that are presented as facts using these definitions I mentioned.

Tania | Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:36
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Re: My Guru,My God?

I do not agree with you.
The relation is like this

1. Guru > God

2. Guru > God > Devotee (ordinary/self-claimed devotee)

3. Guru > Devotee > God (God favoured/elevated/claimed devotee)

For me my Guru is greater than God.
Every disciple thinks, believes and treats only his Guru is equal to God.
The question is whose Guru is equal to God? Only God knows whose Guru is the most truthful.
If a seeker fails to recognise a true Guru this is not the fault of Guru but it is the lack of practice of truth by the seeker.
The world is a mixture of truth and untruth. We have to be careful while choosing a Guru and use the God-given faculty of right discrimination.
Complete freedom/liberty/independence/freewill has been given to choose one as a Guru. Even a true Guru cannot force anyone. Neither God nor Guru is blamed if we do not utilise our freedom properly.
This poem explains it.

False Gurus lead you to hell,
Everywhere they dwell,
They preach very well,
They make you swell,
You fall in a dark well;
Paper flowers are easy to sell,
They are disguised very well,
No scent if you smell,
Have you got the point I spell?
That’s all, I tell and yell.

*** Salutations to the shoes of my Eternal Father Guru Siddha Nath ***

Nathyogi | Thu, 12/17/2015 - 06:25
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Nathyogi, Thanks for your

Thanks for your comments. If the Guru is not a Human Being then he maybe God. But if he is Human, then he cannot be perfect is my opinion. In this nowhere do I undermine the Guru who has given you so much but following blindly is also not for conscious beings.

spbagaria | Thu, 12/17/2015 - 09:38
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Guru > God

This shows your lack of practice of truth and understanding.
First know the difference between a devotee and a disciple.
God is unselfish and truthful. Do not you allow your obedient son surpass you?
You are free to practice what is taught by your Guru. So am I. God is unselfish, truthful and perfect.
If God does not make His devotee surpass Him, gets the tag of selfish, untruthful and imperfect which are against truth and is the opinion of the wise.
I blindly follow my Guru. I think you as a fully conscious being should not have any objections of my blind-following as you are not asked to follow me or my Guru.
If you have any experience of truth prove my following as wrong with wisdom and knowledge which I welcome.
It seems to me that your views on God and Guru are stone blind. I never worship any God, or follow any Guru, who wants their devotees and disciples to be slaves and servants forever.
Hope you understand.

Nathyogi | Thu, 12/17/2015 - 11:15
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It's not written for those

It's not written for those conscious beings like you. It's written for those persons who first make their Guru a God and later on seeing one mistake start to blame or curse the Guru, which is very wrong The Guru has given them something and they should at least be thankful for what they have got.

spbagaria | Thu, 12/17/2015 - 14:14
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Re: It's not written for those

You see, truth is only one. It does not vary from person to person.
I have told you that one must be careful while choosing a Guru. Else one has to bear the results of following a hypocrite.
All the best.
Hari Om!

Nathyogi | Fri, 12/18/2015 - 05:02