Money and spirituality..

hmmm's picture

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Sorry folks,I deleted this post because I found it unbearable to read!Someone has commented that they feel insulted by my removal of my blog.Oh dear,I really can't please everyone and feel like giving up on writing any more!

Thankyou to everyone who responded,I really like this website and have enjoyed communicating on it.

Im going through some chronic self doubt at the moment,so please forgive me if I offend in any way.

Asanga's picture

Hope you get a job soonest!

Hope you get a job soonest!Any job- to keep your body nourished...

I am, yet I am not...

Asanga | Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:53
george's picture

This is a big big issue

This is a big big issue, especially in the case of spiritual people.

In my case also, my parents were and are also extremely concern about my financial state and managed to inherit it to me resulting in a deep existential fear i have. I sense that in your case luckily or not it was not cloned into you otherwise you would have done something actively.

I'm happy that you could finally get a house of your own. Where I live such option does not exist. You are very lucky therefore in spite of all the burden of bills and daily expenses.

Do you work in something? Are there any family relatives that can help? Didn't your mother leave some property behind?

In any case, it seems from your story that the physical survival issue is a major lesson of this reincarnation of yours. Look at it this way and things will change. This might be a true purpose of your right now, any separation between spirituality and the physical is only artificial based on our theoretical ideas about spirituality.

george | Wed, 01/13/2010 - 16:06
Gilana's picture

Money, money, money

Cheylah Gilana---LISTEN UP!

Such a big issue! We are so drawn to gazing at the moon that we forget the earth. Somehow, someone took advantage of our preference to be in bliss and told us that this is all it's about; leave the baser things to the baser world.

It's not all about bliss! God wants us to work, too. At things we don't want to! A good parent always makes their children do sadhana...oops, I meant chores. If you don't do your chores, you don't get your inner peace...oops, I meant allowance. Then you can't buy your meditation time...ooops, I meant candy and toys.

My guru offers a class called "Financial Skills for Spiritual Seekers." otherwise known as "How to obtain inner peace, earth style."

I, of course, have not taken it.


Gilana | Wed, 01/13/2010 - 18:22
hmmm's picture


Hi Cheylah-thats such a beautiful name!Thank you for your comments-enjoyed reading your take on things!And its all true!

hmmm | Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:01
lilian's picture

It is more than that

I think it is deeper - from the secular simple point of view, there is indeed our tendency to use spirituality as an excuse not to face earthy things we are not fond of (for some it is earning money, for some it is pressure, for some it is facing other people) but I've realized that in a deeper sense that goes beyond the secular perspective, these hard circumstances are the decoration for lessons some souls of us need to go through.

Based on what katerina said I truly feel that these hard circumstances are more than just mere responsibility for her physical wellbeing.

lilian | Thu, 01/14/2010 - 09:53
hmmm's picture

My challenge!

Hi George-Thank you so much for your wise comments and insights.I have a very strong will and this year I am going to apply it to changing my situation!I hope to interest a film director with one of my film scripts.I want to succeed doing the work/service that my soul was designed to do.Nothing else has worked for me and I feel when I become true to my own true self,then I will finally break through these obstacles.My parents also suffered poverty and both worked very hard for very little.I have my own path and somehow life/God/the universe has always sent me whatever I need and I am a survivor.I hope to share something of my journey to a brighter future with my friends on this website,as I go along.
Ultimately,I would rather that the earths riches were shared equally,as there is enough for everybody but the distribution of wealth is just insanely out of proportion.
I would prefer it if money did not exsist at all and some say that the dawning golden age will see a completely new system throughout the world!I hope these prophecies are true because its all just too crazy and beyond repair,the way it is right now.
Nobody on God's earth should have to endure poverty,in my opinion and of course I know,there are people worse off than me,but that fact doesn't uplift me!
Its all about the distribution of the earths resources and the world's governments are basically just doing a crap job of doing that properly!

Bring on the revolution!2012,according to the Mayans,will be an important year for massive shifts and changes.

In God,I trust,always.Very best wishes to you,my brother,in Turkey!

hmmm | Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:52
bonya basu's picture

I verymuch apreciate your

I verymuch apreciate your willpower.GOD is there in your future have been tested.You will get success.With all my good wishes.

bonya basu | Thu, 01/14/2010 - 11:08
Jibanda's picture

Listen to me very carefully!

The following is from direct experience, not theory: abundance is not such a big deal to attract. I'm not talking about the half-baked rubbish such as "The Secret" which do attract money but only to their deceptive creators.

Money is a big deal only when we have a belief that it is so and hence when we have an additional deep-rooted belief that we can't / shouldn't have it then we do not have it. For some minds, the lack of money and the sorrow and struggle provide content to live on.

These strong beliefs are usually too powerful to be eradicted by acceptance and observation. Enough wasting time and again it is not such a big issue to start processing and self development over it. Clean it from your way and continue in the important things.

The way to clean this conditioned belief is to go to some healer in your proximity that will do the work. From my experience the most adequate system to do it is Theta Healing (which is not healing in the known sense). You will find many Theta Healers around, just go to one, it should not cost a lot and will not require many sessions - just go and ask him to remove your conditioning and/or genes that affect your relationship with money.

Again, I'm not trying to sell anything and I'm talking from my own experience and experience of many close people. I was extremely skeptic until I saw how simple and fast it is to change these beliefs and what a boom follows. It's such a pity that so many of us waste their time on this marginal issue. After you change it and money starts flowing you may be a bit disappointed and frustrated about all the years of unnecessary struggle for vain.

Jibanda | Thu, 01/14/2010 - 14:35
hmmm's picture

Read carefully!

Jibanda-thank you for your advice and comments.If you read what I actually wrote,you will see that I am already in the middle of the process you describe.It was just my expression,of how money/no money does of course have an impact on my life in this world,much as I wish it didn't.
I no longer seek healers outside myself,as I believe that each of us contain within our own souls the power to heal everything that needs healing and have only to realise that and access it.Money is definitely my big challenge and I look forward to overcoming the obstacles it creates!

hmmm | Fri, 01/15/2010 - 13:45
Gilana's picture

Thank you

Thanks for your advice. I have never heard of a Theta Healer and have never heard of an issue with money discussed like this. If it worked for you it is very impressive and something to consider.


Gilana | Fri, 01/15/2010 - 16:50
mayasurfer's picture

Hallo hmmmm, I have been

Hallo hmmmm, I have been reading your stories for a while. I like the way you write, fresh and almost childlike. You have talent, no doubt. But I must say I'm amazed at your naivety... no wonder you feel so down and suicidal. Your blind belief in your "Guru" who manipulated and abused you, your blind belief in that Hare Krishna sect with their super strict rules and mind numbing Mantra, your blind belief in all that new-age nonsense, your blind belief in astrology, some "Mayan calender" etc.,etc....I can assure you that you won't get absolutely nowhere with all that, except into some mental institution. There is no "spiritual path" as such, there is no path, fullstop. There is nowhere to get to, nothing to achieve, nothing to understand, nothing to find.... there is no future, there is no past, there is only the present moment, the Here and Now, that's all/AlL there is... and that is the only place/moment where you can find what you are seeking. In the Here and Now you are face to face with what you have been seeking all your life, not only face to face, ear to ear, eye to eye, touch to touch, thoughts to thoughts... no, even more.. you are it. Simple as that. You are IT. You are the world, the world is you. Come down from your airy-fairy, wishy-washy new-age heaven and simply come back to your senses, back to where you are and have always been. Can you hear what you have always overheard, can you see what you have always overseen.....? It's so simple, you make it sooo complicated. If you would only know how simple it is. You would laugh your head off. Think about this, "what you are seeking all your life is the same as what is doing the seeking". What would that be? The perceiver and the perceived are precisely the same. What does that mean? All your naive beliefs are nothing but a teddy bear or a security blanket or an escape hatch from the pain of believing that you exist and are seperate from the world, which, you still know deep down, is you too. So you are seperate only because you belief that you exist. It's only a concept, that's all. An illusion. If a subject, "you", exists, an object, the "world", must exist. This apparent duality is just a concept, nothing else. Just open your eyes and ears, come back to your senses. In time the Truth of that simple fact will come upon you and you find your way home again, where you are One again in the Here and Now.... May I recommend lots of conscious breathing, , lots of gratitude, lots of dancing, lots of friends ("normal" ones!!!) and get a job, anywhere and if it's at "McDonald's". Makes no difference. Just get a job and if it's a voluntary one. You will feel much better immediately. Another thing I would recommend, read old comments by Omkaradatta and Phroggy on Gurusfeet. And get Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now" or "The New Earth" from the library and read a bit in them. Good luck! I feel for you, dear Hmmmmmmm and wish you all the best.

mayasurfer | Sun, 01/17/2010 - 09:44
hmmm's picture

Innaccurate assessment!

Sorry,but you really have no idea what you are talking about and not even the humility to realise it!I am on here,simply as a writer sharing my experiences,good and bad and with childlike honesty.That does not make me naive,I lost that the day I was gang-raped.
I appreciate your advice and opinions,but you delivered it more like a character assassination and with great pomposity!Im glad you have enjoyed reading my insane ramblings,though obviously you havent read with any real attention,as you would have seen that I was far from slavishly devoted either to my guru or to ISKCON!
Neither do I feel you have the right to attack my interests in astrology or anything else I choose to be interested in!
By the way,I do take any work I can find and also do voluntary work-that was not the point I was making in my blog.
You are the one who needs to wake up,if you arrogantly believe you are entitled to make such damning judgements of someone.You are the one who needs to open your mind and heart to the magic inherent in all that I embrace and will continue to embrace,whatever you might happen to think
about my choices.

I am also aware that I am already what I seek and my journey to the here and now,I have shared because I have overcome many obstacles to get here.I am doing my best and really don't need your judgemental spiel!

hmmm | Sun, 01/17/2010 - 10:14
mayasurfer's picture

So much anger

So much anger. I must have pushed some button in you. Just like you pushed a button in me with your writings. But why did this suddenly come up? Why did I suddenly feel this urge to write to you? I'm surprised myself. I have a feeling that in my case the button you pushed has something to do with my "father", who was extremely realistic and sceptical of any belief system. I learnt in childhood to be like him to get his love. I'm still like him. We all copy our parents in one way or another when we are young. The button or wound I pushed in you might stem from something similar? Isn't it fascinating how different we are and how close? And what that means. What do you think? Cheers.

mayasurfer | Sun, 01/17/2010 - 13:13
hmmm's picture


Sometimes I feel angry,yes,that's true.Having emotions is natural.I don't try to pretend that I am any thing other than human and I don't put my emotions into catergories ie good/bad, spiritual/unspiritual.My parents were greek and I grew up around emotional expression.Often my english friends envied me,because they longed for that from their parents.I envied them,their cooler,less emotional upbringings!Of course we inherit some of our parents characteristics,but ultimately we are unique individuals and we create our own realities.
I don't adhere to any particular belief system,all I am describing in my writings,is my own journey.I am an independent thinker and always have been.
I never really enjoyed living in the Hare Krishna temple but am glad I met my guru there.He actually helped to liberate me from following any kind of religion and set me free to be myself.I loved him but did not agree with everything he did and I even got angry with him!
A friend of mine once described me as "a mixture of anger and sweetness!"I think that was quite accurate,although I am multi-faceted and thats not all there is to me.

I don't believe anger is always negative and in its pure form,is like the alchemists fire burning away the dross.I don't apologise for feeling that way about some of your comments!Im glad if I provoke others to think a bit more deeply about their own fixed ideas about things.

I do suffer from depression-which is a very real condition,but actually,I am quite proud of how I have learnt to live with it and understand it.I have felt suicidal,at times,but again,I manage to work through those tendencies,and obviously,am succeeding,as Im still here!

Thank God,that despite all the challenges and hardships,I didn't end up in a mental institution!I have a strong mind and a strong will and these characteristics have served me well.

When I was 15 years old my father almost beat me to death because he thought I had slept with a muslim.I had alot of muslim friends and always defied his prejudices,but I hadn't slept with any of them!

When I was 19,I was gang-raped and I don't think you need to be a genius to work out why I sometimes feel angry!I also don't like to be dominated by men,in any way,whatsoever,physically,mentally or spiritually.

I am a survivor,not a victim,but hope I can be forgiven,if I feel disgruntled or just downright pissed off,at times!

I have many,many faults,doubtlessly but am also completely unpretentious and honest.Maybe I shouldn't admit how much I struggle,maybe it makes me vulnerable and open to attack.

I am what I am,as you are what you are.In the garden of my soul,there are many beautiful flowers and there are also weeds that need to be removed,so they don't destroy those lovingly tended blooms.Its an ongoing process and I am actually quite pleased with my progress,so far!

Any way that is probably too "wishy-washy"for you,so I'd better sign off.I am a dreamer,and in some cultures,dreamers are greatly respected,apparently!

hmmm | Sun, 01/17/2010 - 19:22
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I find this insulting!

I find the deletion of the post so insulting, especially after people took the effort to respond with comments. People invested good will, time and energy to contribute to the dialog and the insights arising from the dialog. Sharing is not a one-sided caprice, it's a relationship as opposed, for example, to writing in a private notebook. If one is responsible and has respect to fellow members, one has to let what he posts to cook in the notebook before he/she decides whether he wants to post it or not, one cannot play with the emotions of others.

I'm sorry if it sounds blunt but I'm especially disappointed because I was persistent in following your fascinating posts that I found very sincere and open. I was about to post my reflection here just before you deleted the post. Never mind.

tiru | Mon, 01/18/2010 - 14:33
hmmm's picture

My reasons for deleting my own blog!!

Tiru,I decided to delete this post because I am so critical of my own writing and certainly wasn't meant as an insult to any one else!Also,maybe I feel that the comments I received are in a sense more important than my ramblings as they offer solutions.
Sorry,maybe I was too hasty and dont think I can restore it otherwise,I would.
If you have read my posts you will know that I suffer from depression and sometimes I find my own writing uncomfortable to read.I will take on board your response and maybe try not to be so harsh about what I see as glaring imperfections in my writing.

I actually,deeply appreciate any comments I receive,even the ones I dont agree with,so please dont think Im being ungrateful or disrespectful,because that is untrue and upsets me!Thank you for letting me know how deleting my post made you feel.

hmmm | Mon, 01/18/2010 - 18:22
tiru's picture

sorry sorry sorry

sorry sorry sorry, I was insensitive, it was just out of frustration because i love what you write so much, it is a blog not a forum and you have all the rights to do this, I'm really sorry.

One recommendation: always save, even first drafts, in word files at your computer, move whatever you want to delete to a different folder and maybe you will never bother to look there but maybe not. We have moods in which we are very judgmental about our creations and then later we sometimes see it differently and are able to work on the draft instead of trying to reinvent everything from scratch.

tiru | Mon, 01/18/2010 - 19:25
hmmm's picture

Its ok!

It's okay,Tiru,don't worry!Actually your reaction really made me think about my perfectionism and how I sometimes sabotage my own efforts because of too much self-criticism.I was told by an astrologer that this is what prevents me from succeeding as a writer.Well,I think I illustrated to myself today,just how true that is!!
Ha!Ha!We humans really are crazy,funny,insecure creatures,aren't we?!
Even if I don't like certain comments,I still recognise the truth,however unpalatable.I do have the right to erase my own blogs,but maybe I need to look at why and not be afraid of exposing the naked truth,because that's what I do,both as a person and a writer.
Now,I have another idea for my next blog!I will write something about self-sabotage and how too much self-critisism can seriously damage our psyches.
I have seen this tendency in many spiritual seekers and when people come to me for tarot readings,this problem often arises.I believe that having a feeling of self-worth is vital for our health and well-being.

All,I can honestly say,Tiru,is that I am always learning and appreciate everyone's unique wisdom and insights on here.So,thankyou for yours.

hmmm | Mon, 01/18/2010 - 20:56
mayasurfer's picture

It is ok

it is ok... making a new beginning is always ok, a wonderful chance to realign your life and truly follow your heart. Drop it all, especially all that "spiritual" seeking, come down to earth, come down to your senses, find the Truth in the ordinary moment by moment existence, in those delicious little things that you encounter every day. Have you ever truly seen the sun dancing through the trees? Have you felt the humming and bubbling of energy in the shopping mall? Have you really tasted that cup of coffee? Have you cried with the people dying under the rubble in Haiti? Only in the ordinary can you find the extra-ordinary, which is nothing but yourself. I'm in therapy now for over a year, it's the best I have ever done in my life, I recommend it very much. And read a little bit of Eckhart Tolle, as I mentioned before. And don't give up writing. It's a great way to ventilate your feelings. And you have huge talent and potential. I wish you well.

mayasurfer | Mon, 01/18/2010 - 22:20
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You do wind me up a bit,I have to admit!I do all of the things you mention,why assume otherwise?Im spiritual and Im down to earth-yes,mate,it is possible to be both!
I have to clean up ferret shit every day,feed them,watch them going crazy in the garden,chase them around the neighbourhood,because they are brilliant escape artists and outwit me every time!They keep me grounded,they remind me about playfulness and the wildness of nature.
I have always appreciated nature,sunsets-hell,I even managed to appreciate the bitterly cold snow and ice we had recently.I love my coffee,my food and Im also stupid enough to enjoy my smokes!

Please don't use the Haiti situation to illustrate your point,of course Ive cried,do I even have to answer that question?I cannot actually comment on that,its beyond comprehension and Im not ashamed to admit that some world events leave me simply horrified.

I havent given up writing and wrote another blog this evening!I think I just got a bit temperamental and had a writers tantrum,basically!

So,thanks for the encouragement and plain speaking from New Zealand!Best wishes.

hmmm | Mon, 01/18/2010 - 22:50