Qumi's picture

Average: 3.3 (3 votes)

Come out of the circle of time
and into the circle of love


kalgo's picture

easy said than done

Isn't this a quote belonging to quotes.

Oh well. anyway, on such things it was said "easy said than done"...

kalgo | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 07:10
Phroggy's picture


What exactly does he mean?

Phroggy | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 08:01
seeker's picture

mutual exclusive

That time which is mind is mutually exclusive to true love which is beyond mind. That relinquishing the attachment to time, welcomes the freedom manifested in what we call love.

seeker | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 15:40
Phroggy's picture

Clearly unclear

Time is one of the illusions formed by what we conceptualize as mind, but how are time and mind the same? Is time circular or is it linear? What is the circle he wants us to step out of? In what way are time and Love opposed? What is the circle of Love?

I love Rumi and poetry and I understand analysis is not appropriate, but I'm not really getting his message here.

Phroggy | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 20:57
Omkaradatta's picture


(A) How are time and mind the same?

Time is memory, is it not?

(B) Is time circular or is it linear?

It's circular in the "vicious circle" sense, as endlessly repeating the past. Surely you've heard how history repeats itself, eh? ;-).

(C) In what way are time and Love opposed?

I don't see any suggestion in the poem that time and love are opposed, but rather the "circle of time" is being suggested as different than the "circle of love".

(D) What is the circle he wants us to step out of?

From here, he's clearly referring to the mind.

(E) What is the circle of Love?

That which isn't the circle of time (mind). The Heart, if you will.

Omkaradatta | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 21:59
Phroggy's picture


I would not say time is memory any more than I would say time is mind. Only in the largest context in which everything is the same and nothing. To me, such statements are made too easily. Memory is the recollection of apparent events. Time is a concept referring to a framework in which those events flow. The memory of your gradma's apple pie is not time. Likewise, the apparent framework in which the events of life flow is not mind. It may be one of the concepts occurring in mind, but it's not mind itself.

Yes, I have a vauge sense of what Rumi meant and I suspect it's similar to yours, but I was interested in knowing how those who found it to be very meaningful interpreted it.

Phroggy | Mon, 01/05/2009 - 02:09
Omkaradatta's picture


It's really all a matter of definitions, and these days I tend to use words contextually, as no concepts are true. If it fits the context in which it's used, it "works for me".

Mind may be called 'attachment to thoughts' -- I know of no other mind than that. As far as time goes, separating time from events is a mental pastime. For example, if lunchtime is at 12:00, then '12:00' and 'lunchtime' mean the same thing afaic. Time is whatever we decide it represents, as it really doesn't stand apart from anything.

In any event, Rumi's "poem" (is that what it is?) above seems pretty clear from here, so I was giving you the answers from that clarity.

Omkaradatta | Mon, 01/05/2009 - 02:37