Is It Essential To Have A Living Guru?

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An extract from the conversations with Deepamji

Ques:

Do we need a living guru or master?

Why exactly do we need a living guru or a living enlightened master?

Why can we not attain self-realization on our own?

Is the guru the link, guide, the spark?

Does he protect us in our meditation?

Are there many masters?

How do we know which is the true one?

Do I look for a guru, or will the guru find me when the time is right?

P

Ans:

Beloved P,

Yes we do need a living guru. Because the guru has traversed the way we are starting out upon. Only the guru will understand what a seeker is going through, and how to guide the seeker in the right direction.

It is possible to attain self-realisation on one’s own- but thought to be extremely rare. One needs a instructor even to learn driving, and the ability to handle the conscious mind needs far greater skills, and one is certain to falter on one’s spiritual journey unless there is a wise and loving guide to hold one’s hand along the way.

Yes, the guru is the spark that ignites one’s spiritual fire and this fire is certain to burn away all impurities of one’s consciousness when one remains connected to the source of the fire of awakening.

A guru is not a magician or a superhuman being who will protect and shield the seeker. A true guru gives knowledge which aids the seeker in realising the self. Meditation is simply awareness of what is occurring in one’s consciousness at all times.

True knowledge of the self is one’s real protection at all times- and meditation is not a process that is carried out at certain times. Rather meditation is awareness of oneself at all times. Therefore a guru’s ‘protection’ during meditation is a meaningless question.

There are infinite masters in this creation- but the essence or the ‘guru tattwa’ is the same. All gurus are extensions of the same infinite source. For each seeker there is a guru- who might or might not be a guru to another.

Gurus are many, but a satguru- one who awakens the seeker, is only one. And one seeker’s satguru might not be another seeker’s satguru.

Rather than looking for a guru, make yourself ready to become a good disciple- a sincere seeker. That is more important.

And when you have become truly ready, your guru will come and find you...



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How to protect when we fell pray to a psycho instead of sat guru

How to protect when we fell pray to a psycho, sadist guru instead of sat guru as pointed out as in my case chariji of sr cm.org? he is well versed with banamathi?

RAJAvsraj | Mon, 07/26/2010 - 01:21
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You are stuck in your self-created prison...

Dear Raja,
What keeps you stuck is your own belief that the person has a hold upon you.
There is no such thing at all.
Your fears are based upon a premise that has trapped you. You are simply a prisoner of your own mind.
What I have noticed over the last few weeks is that you have been continuously writing about how you are stuck with a 'Guru' (You still choose to call him that, which surprises me to no end!) and want a way out.
Have self belief and trust in your own inner strength. No one can harm the sky by spitting upon it... or punching at it... or shooting nuclear weapons at it...
You are that sky, and even beyond...
I am, yet I am not...

Asanga | Thu, 07/29/2010 - 11:55
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it always, all ways boggles this Mind....LOLL

Dear Asanga ..it always, all ways boggles this Mind...when I see/hear questions....that can be Self-answered with mere to little amounts of GOoD-Logic, Common-sense, GOoD-Sense/Self-Sense

(...my Bluntness in Analogy/Metaphor is purposefully chosen)
now....contemplate the question....do you NEED another/a GURU .... to pursue, as well as to experience lets say an Orgasm??
...I can share with you, there are MANYYYYYYYYYY that would JUMP at THIS,...and their agenda ....realized as well as un-realized, nevertheless is to Sell themselves.
They will tell you that ohhh I am the Best Giver of Orgasm's ....I been traveling it orgasmic road since forever...and I know exactly, "For you" what you need...and hence does One give up the sense what one can only determine for Oneself.....Including how to be touched....especiallyyyyyyy if touched by another.
....something to muse about....Smiless
B-Self

When Self got sick of his saints
and bored with guru's
he created me ...
to LAUGH at Everythingggg

they took seriously.

B-Self, Eternal Infinite Sri Fukkamee Swami

Bercano | Tue, 07/27/2010 - 00:30
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@ Bercano -A reply from Deepam

Dear Bercano,
You are so right,
It amuses me to no end too, when someone 'declares' themselves a saviour of mankind, and proclaims that theirs is the 'only way' to salvation...
But people are like that- they run to 'clearance sales' and buy worthless stuff since it is available at a discount- hardly realising that all that they are collecting is more baggage, and freebies, that they are never going to going to use at all...
Similar is this 'Spiritual Window-shopping thing' too...
And we find circus clowns, charlatans and 'road maps' galore here as well...
Yet, I am certain that, just like a small child can be supported in standing up and taking its first few steps by the parents, there are sincere people who can turn us in the right direction. But continuing to hold on to a Guru or teacher just because they pointed you in the right direction is also not a good idea.
You need a driving instructor to teach you how to drive a car- but then, you need to move on once you have learned the lesson, and if you are going to drive a Formula One racing car, then you cannot continue running in 'gratitude' to your first driving instructor, isn't it?
Of course this doesn't imply in any way that a Guru can (or cannot) take someone 'all the way' at all... Nevertheless, I have yet to come across any person who has really 'created' any authentic procedure for enlightenment as yet!
I tell everyone I talk to on this subject, 'Beware of the ONE who declares 'I Am The ONLY Way!''
But, to use your analogy, Masters and Johnson did help a lot of women realise that there was more to 'it' than the proverbial missionary.
The beauty of being human is that we always have a choice- but unless we are aware that these choices exist, how will we make our choice? A sincere 'Guru' (That word gets your goat doesn't it?!) in the genuine sense is unconcerned with material gains, but is fully concerned whether the seeker is benefiting and advancing upon the path.
Now, the path is NOT necessarily the same in all cases. A Tantric adept has a completely different as opposed to a teacher of Vedanta. But both ask for complete surrender from their disciples.
Now the word 'surrender' too has different connotations for each Guru and path, and the disciple is tested well by the Guru as per his own choosing.
Again, the word 'test' is certain to irk you, but look at it this way, how else would one know whether the seeker is deserving of the wisdom that has been held sacred and cherished as supreme by the Master?
If you hold something as valuable, don't you like to protect it and care for it? Like a new car or laptop...?
Spiritual wisdom that has been gleaned through deep understanding and humility is shared with a select few... See what happens when such things are given freely... the receiver does not value the teachings at all... It is thus that ancient masters chose to put such value to their teachings that could be appreciated by the worldly minded 'superficial seekers' to sift through them... The material value of true wisdom (An absurd oxymoron) is nothing, or everything...
Since as you put it, people would run after the knowledge of how to have great orgasms, maybe that is not such a bad idea to pull in people at all! Once the person trusts you enough to teach them something so intimate, they 'just might' be willing to learn something deeper!!! (You will again have a go at the word 'deeper' I am sure!)
Some say, trust is the beginning of becoming a disciple.
A real Guru will probably not encourage anyone to learn from them at all, but if someone is truly persistent, then the Guru will test their faith and trust.
Once this trust is total, will the Guru give everything unconditionally...
Blessings,
Deepam Chatterjee

I am, yet I am not...

Asanga | Thu, 07/29/2010 - 12:42
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U echo this Self, thoughts

....Yet, I am certain that, just like a small child can be supported in standing up and taking its first few steps by the parents, there are sincere people who

....You Know...it reminds me ( having been Blessed with 2 Sons/now all grown up)that everything they did....like Crawling, Standing up, Walking....even later the driving of a car....All justttttt Happened all on it's Own...NAturally, in Phases/and or Stages.
The Idea, Concept that One NEEDS to have for everythingggg some kind of an Instructor...is/was founded usually by a wanna be/Needs to be Instructor, and his offering was Usually NOT for Free.....OUR Biggest Business nowadays is Spirituality...which only lets us know, that spirituality gets more and more misused and becomes corrupted.
The Building of Temples and Ashrams that insist to have to have Marble floors etc.....is nothing different then the symbolism of worshipping a golden calf...

We arrogantly walk into Rain-forests and assume we have Something to teach, to those "Savages"....Only to destroy, their Natural Wisdom and Knowledge, at worse the extinction of such tribes .......and all of it is due to "Education/Instructors"...it appears thou...the more we are Educated, the more we Lose Touch with our Natural born Instincts, our first Nature that is Spirit.

~*~Spiritual wisdom that has been gleaned through deep understanding and humility is shared with a select few... See what happens when such things are given freely... the receiver does not value the teachings at all... It is thus that ancient masters chose to put such value to their teachings that could be appreciated by the worldly minded 'superficial seekers' to sift through them... The material value of true wisdom (An absurd oxymoron) is nothing, or everything...~*~
....SMILESSS....Well, Lemme Say there is a Phrase that I would assume has become over the years a household -phrase...It's the Chop Wood/Wash dishes before Enlightenment....Chop Wood/Wash Dishes After Enlightenment.... Simply to Me, it make GOoD-Sense, Common-Sense in it's implication/suggestiveness ...THAT NOTHING ever Happened/Nor Changes......In Such realization, there is NOTHINGGG to Value, (least of Self-realizarion/Enlightenment)....@ best it's Entertainment of a Journey/Lifespan and it's possible arrival @ "Self's-Nothing-ness"....which would imply another meaning when we say "I DID IT ALL for NOTHING"....LOLLLLLLLL

Anyways Asanga/Deepam....there are sooo many points I resonate with....we simply echo another;)..It's
All my Pleasure,
B-Self

When Self got sick of his saints
and bored with guru's
he created me ...
to LAUGH at Everythingggg

they took seriously.

B-Self, Eternal Infinite Sri Fukkamee Swami

Bercano | Fri, 07/30/2010 - 15:41