The IDGF state

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IDGF, the name of an ultimate spiritual state, stands for I Don't Give a Fuck.

At first, the name might sound contra-spiritual and even obscene.

But actually, IDGF is the best name that can be given to a certain very positive and deep spiritual state.

IDGF is not a state of animosity, despair or selfishness. On the contrary, one of the attributes of this state of being is unconditional love and unity with all.

The IDGF state can be achieved through extensive acceptance of what is. That is, a total abandonment of any resistance to life situations, the giving up of the ego will and wishes. It is achieved through flowing with the current to wherever it leads rather than swimming against it and pinpointing a certain target to reach.

At some point, after applying the total acceptance of whatever is, you reach a point where you don't care whether something will happen or not, whether this or that will occur or not, you are happy and satisfied with whatever is, you don't give a fuck about what is happening as you are unconditionally satisfied and happy. You have reached a state in which you live in parallel to whatever happens, you have reached the blessed state of IDGF.

Remember: It is so easy to reach the IDGF state, it is so easy to embark on the path of observing and totally accepting whatever is. It is the mind that tries to make these so complicated as they are its enemies.

Tania's picture

It reminds me of something Krishnamurti said

Eckhart Tolle in his book "A new earth" says that once Krishnamurti in a public talk told the audience that all the difference between him and them is simply that he doesn't care.

Tania | Mon, 04/07/2008 - 22:46
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I like the name "I don't give a fuck" for this state as it is easy this way to remember it :-)

After I apply intentionally a true total acceptance for some time (and this does not happen often), at some point I arrive at a blessed serene state in which nothing can disturb me as I am in some kind of inertia of accepting whatever happens. I think this is the state you refer to as IDGF.

Luz76 | Fri, 04/11/2008 - 21:39
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No "I" to give a funk.

Is this not just saying "I don't give an 'I'" with an attention diverting/getting personally rascally agressive kind of tilt? Naughty boy you! Why not just give up the I that does or doesn't give a fuck and be done with it? I get your point. And I get your point. In the end I care and I care enough to not be I - FIRST. Fuck or no fuck is immaterial and is not personally compelling or repelling anymore.

Ramesh Balsakar said it best maybe: "Who cares?" How would that sound as "Who gives a fuck?" Is anything worthwile added?

Sorry, I do care. Language lies in that place where one kind of many kinds of communication is not other than what we are - when we don't care. Language is somewhat more real than either you or I - as a pointer. That's not saying much, but it is enough for me.

vimutti | Fri, 07/11/2008 - 03:48
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Language to provoke practical mental processes

Your mistake is that you attend to this name intellectually instead of testing it mentally. You disect and analyze it with your mind, make decision such as "I care" etc. and from that, as you perfectly know from your experience, no mucg will happen.

At your current state, "giving up the I" is just a theoretical idea, not something you are capable of. The most you can do is to practice Ramana Maharshi's self inquiry or Nisargadatta's "I Am" and hope that some day this "I" will vanish.

On the other hand, abiding in the state of IDGF is simple and feasible, it easily come when you just apply acceptance to whatever is.

The most important thing in the name is that it will bear a mental (not intellectual) significance for you so that it will provoke a mental process within you. Currently you are identifies with your "I", you use the "I" therefore the "I" must remain in the IDGF. Use the language more to provoke mental processes in the system and less for intellectual analysis about the psych.

See for yourself which of the following sentences provokes more mental identification within you:

I don't give a fuck
don't give a fuck
No I

If Ramesh's "who cares?" serves you better do use it of course, what important is what serves you better, each one of us is different with different content of the mind.

seeker | Fri, 07/11/2008 - 06:57
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How does this differ...

This 'philosophy' reminds me of something I've termed "OK-dvaita". It also resembles the statement "It's all good", in that everything is accepted. And it requires no discrimination and no awareness on the part of the 'practitioner', so it looks very attractive.

In terms of traditional advaita, it also resembles Vairagya (dispassion, detachment), minus its inseparable twin Viveka (discrimination between the real and the false, i.e. wisdom). Why not employ both of these? Give a fuck about what's real, drop the rest. But this requires discriminating between the true and the false, which takes devotion, awareness, insight and sincere dedication. In my view, these are requirements on the path, not optional.

Omkaradatta | Fri, 08/29/2008 - 05:08
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Clarifications about IDGF

The strength of the IDGF (at least based on my experience) is the totality. You get into a state in which outer circumstances (also within the body) do not matter. It's not a state you directly enter into or directly abide in, you find yourself at some point drawn into it, it is a result of practicing truly total acceptance for some time. Therefore, you cannot choose to give a fuck about this and not give a fuck about that.

One point to make clear - when you are in the IDGF, it is not that you estrange to people and things, it's not that you turn to be a mean cruel individual. On the contrary, from this state of aloofness, you find yourself having a lot of compassion and unconditional love.

Total acceptance is not negation of the true or false. You can accept something good and still enjoy it, you just know that at some point it may cease. It doesn't say all good or all bad, it just surrender to what is, doesn't reject anything, good and bad. Once you apply discrimination, there is no acceptance anymore.

Regarding devotion, awareness, insight and sincere dedication - you are so true, they are essential to proceed in the path but they are not things you do, they happen to you if you are blessed enough to be on the path, it only looks to us as if we do them.

So let's get back to work and start the only thing we can "do": accept and observe :-)

sisi | Fri, 08/29/2008 - 06:57
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What we can do...

We can simplify our lives, pare down our schedules, surrender our addictions, and (above all) put our spiritual state first in life instead of somewhere near the bottom of the list. Be undivided, be integrated, stop selling our souls "just one more time" for some empty and foolish agenda. Really, there is much we can do, but do we want to do it?

Omkaradatta | Sat, 08/30/2008 - 06:03
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You are so right with the

You are so right with the "just one more time" :-)

I think it is partially because we still value more tangible results than unknown results. We have a problem with the unknown and thus with promises about unknown fruits. Unknown means maybe not, maybe will end up as a huge disappointment or a false promise. Tangible usually means money or status or family and other well-recognized achievements by society.

It is so hard to get rid of these conditionings and move spirituality to the top of the list. All around us have these conditionings too and thus strengthen ours, the media, even if you don't watch TV or listen to the radio, manages to bombard you with materialistic brainwashing.

My trick to counter all these influences and thus have my spiritual doing up in the list is to ask myself 2 questions:

Is there any way I can manage to take my car, my house, my bonuses, my financial security, my degrees, even my wife and children, to take them with me when I pass away? Even a tiny chance whatsoever? The answer is obviously NO.

And the second question:

Is there any way, even a tiny chance that maybe I will be able to take my spiritual "achievements", my nonliteral and mental assets with me when I pass away? Even a tiny chance whatsoever? The answer is obviously YES.

Of course I do not encourage in this to see spirituality as yet another new venue for achievements and gaining something. This is just a trick to get into proportions given the huge pressure we are facing by society, media and friends.

kaput | Sat, 08/30/2008 - 08:20
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"See for yourself which of

"See for yourself which of the following sentences provokes more mental identification within you:

I don't give a fuck
don't give a fuck
No I

If Ramesh's "who cares?" serves you better do use it of course, what important is what serves you better, each one of us is different with different content of the mind."

I tried all three. IDGF creates in me an "unpleasant, mean" energy, because of memories associated with that statement.

After reading your post, "THIS TOO SHALL PASS" has more meaning for me now. And it feels "right" on me, like a shoe that fits. Shall I use it?

The one I am not in touch with is the "No I."

Perhaps in a million more lifetimes...maybe.

Quantum | Wed, 11/04/2009 - 23:09
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Very interesting

Very interesting

dora | Sun, 05/03/2009 - 07:07
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Great discussion!

The day I attended my 1st 'The Work' workshop in March and found I wasn't my thoughts and that arguing with reality was causing me stress I literally had to hang on to something because I felt so 'light'. Like I was floating! Amazing ideas, miracles, and experiences have been happening non-stop since then!

I AM loving what IS!

Floweringsoul | Thu, 08/06/2009 - 14:08
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IDGF is a wonderful idea. Because of the vulgarity of the name I remember it. It serves me in this way as a signpost and a reminder in daily life.

IDGF is being a dot. Without dimensions. But still being.

IDGF is the nothing after you peel all the onion layers of attachments.

lucas | Thu, 10/08/2009 - 23:25
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Amazing how the age old staple of spirituality known as "surrender" has to be seasoned by the mind with new ways of accepting it before one wishes to consume. The nourishment is found in the staple. All these "seasonings" overpower the true essence of the staple.

IDGF does not equal surrender.
IDGF does not equal detachment.

F*ck f*ck f*ckity f*ck............seriously

come on!

At least the notion of surrender is hinted at in IDGF...But just recognize it as surrender for **** sakes. LOL

B-friend | Thu, 11/05/2009 - 01:41
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Surrender to the

what form BEING takes, rather than try to force outcomes to what we want them? (Thy will be one on the physical plane as it is in the Realm of Pure Potentiality?)


I forgot.


Quantum | Thu, 11/05/2009 - 06:05
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It is more than surrender

I think you miss the genius in this IDGF stuff. As one who experienced this state, this is the best depiction of it I ever read.

Surrender is covered with too many connotations and this state is more than it.

Plus, at some point the usual expressions like accept and surrender loose their energy completely like a tune you heard too much.

shishmanidov35 | Thu, 11/05/2009 - 16:40
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At different levels

That's because we are all at different levels of spiritual evolution. So, patience and understanding is important.

A Kindergarten studen will miss the genius of a Physics 124 lecture on Newtonian Mechanics. They will be more tuned into phonics, and 1 + 1 =2.

I have not experienced what you have experienced, so the first rungs of the ladder, or even standing tentatively on the ground discussing how to even set my foot on that first step is still a beginning.

Yes. I agree this is a good post. It had me thinking and realizing something very importnat that I was not fully aware of. That I can be present, and still manifest/attract misery to myself by "resisting" evil (i.e. negative emotions) in the present moment.

So, in my own experience, Being PRESENT is not enough. I could be stuck in the mud for 60 minutes, and every moment of that 60 minutes be fully complaining each moment about each moment of being stuck in the mud, and that complaining (resistance to what is), although I am PRESENT in the moment fully centered on the fact that I am presently stuck in the mud, is what by law of attraction manifests/attracts more negative events for me.

So, this post helped me realize that even while Practicing Present Moment awareness all day, insidious negative emotions could still arise and in that moment (say a 60 minute moment) it is there, I could be resisting it. And thereby attract more suffering...even though I am PRESENT.

I still find "This Shall Pass" works better for me. Because the subconscious mind does not hear words such as "Can't", "Not", and "Don't."

Quantum | Thu, 11/05/2009 - 17:08
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The connotations of surrender imply faith and trust. Two things that are overcooked in some minds. In true surrender, faith and trust aren't necessary for the mind to attach to. Faith is knowing. True faith is absolutely knowing. The acquirement of true faith is part of the process and the path allowing for true surrender. The height of the IDGF state, or dispassion/vairagya, is true surrender. One cannot speak for the "ifs", "whys", or "hows" one should surrender because one's life is the means for that. Some can only say that surrender is useful or helpful to cast off ego.

The original poster provided an eloquent commentary on dispassion but naming it as the IDGF state, though clever, corrupts the intuitive connection and Infinite Relationship allowed for in surrender.

But hey...if "I dont give a f*ck" is more comfortable than surrender, then so be it. Self is there too.

B-friend | Fri, 11/06/2009 - 09:29
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i like it

love to you

i like your aproach to life. To not give a fuck reminds me a little of taoist in away. As far as just being who you are loving yourself and not letting anyone make you into anything else. I agree with this path. I also think that it is crucial to love self and be completely open with a loving heart to all that might come your way. So as long as dont give a fuck dosen't block truth from reaching you, i say go with it. I do like the realm of calm that is created by letting go of all dieties, religions, do's don'ts and everything else that confuses what is naturally already within. I get into a deep state of this when meditating. I let go of everything i've ever heard or read, and meditate on the feeling of love for all that is. i must say the way i feel and interact with the world after about 3 hours of this is truely incredible/enjoyable. It is seriously worth trying.

hart and soul | Fri, 10/08/2010 - 16:04