How does 'egoless' look to ego?

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How does 'egoless' or 'no trace of ego' look to the ego, particularly in the written word format? It's an interesting question, so I thought I'd blog about it.

Most probably believe it looks like love, joy, peace and light -- that an enlightened guru always appear to us as peaceful, joyous, loving. Yet, these qualities actually come only when our own egos are gone. They come from within us, not from 'out there' somewhere.

We cannot get these qualities from others in reality, they are coming from within. We may feel them around certain others, but really they are our own.

So, what will 'egoless' look like, particularly in the written word? It will probably look dry, intellectual, analytical. A mathematics textbook has no trace of ego in it. Reading 'egoless' material from another will probably look the same way.

"In person" interaction will be different, but still we may not perceive the expected joy, peace, love and light directed toward us, unless we are attracted to the individual in question.

How do we get these spiritual qualities... love, joy and light? Ultimately by losing our own ego, and by no other means. We think to get them from the enlightened, from others, but aren't they within us, really? We have to turn away from trying to get them from others, and look within for their Source.



madan_gautam's picture

'egoless'

Does a ego-less one even know what is ego ?
If yes I would like to know how ?
If no ,then how can he know about ego ?
OM

madan_gautam | Tue, 01/27/2009 - 14:33
Phroggy's picture

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Knowledge about ego is not ego. Ego may be 'in' mind, but it is not mind. It may constitute a portion of memory, but it is not memory. Knowlege does not require the belief in a person who owns that knowledge. All knowledge is not forgotten when the Awakening event happens. Does the master know what ego is? Of course.

Phroggy | Tue, 01/27/2009 - 22:49
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Knowledge & know

>>Knowledge about ego is not ego.
>>Does the master know what ego is?Of course.
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The so called knowledge & know both are itself ego.

>>>It may constitute a portion of memory, but it is not memory.
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Is portion of memory differ from memory? Does a drop of water is not called water?

OM

madan_gautam | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 14:14
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"The so called knowledge & know both are itself ego."

Knowledge is not ego.

"Is portion of memory differ from memory?"

Of course. The memory of your first love is not the totality of memory.

Phroggy | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 20:19
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Answer to question, with another question

"Does a ego-less one even know what is ego ?"

Does a non-owner of an automobile know what an automobile is? Even they could be an auto mechanic working in a repair shop, without owning one. The question comes across here as silly.

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 11:32
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The question comes across here as silly.

>>The question comes across here as silly.

Sorry my dear I have expressed my views and asked the question for my better understanding your approach and view point, not your so called silly comment.

Thanks,you have given the best example of your post here by showing your ego in your unwanted and undesired reply.

One should behave in open forum like a Guru and Awakened one.
Do not make once again action and reaction effects and pl. do not distribute the peace of this platform again.

If you have problems & ego pl. release some where else,but not here.
OM

madan_gautam | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 14:24
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Is an "unwanted and undesired" reply ego to you? Is it misbehavior because it is unwanted or undesired? Does the perception that a silly question has been asked automatically define ego, or is it more likely your 'unwanting and undesiring' that defines ego?

To me, silliness abounds in the human expression. There is very little of it that is not ultimately silly. Why have you made such a comment wrong? Why was it necessary to disturb the peace of this forum in your reply? Are my questions unwanted and undesired? Does that 'show my ego' and amount to misbehavior.

The truth terrifies folks and they will stop at nothing to destroy it. This is the only 'problem' that exists or could ever exist.

Phroggy | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 20:31
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it is also true

that if we were not well fed, we would not be "discussing" these things. if together, we would be trying to find food.

words are always words. we only take them seriously when our bellies are full. shall we praise or curse our good fortune?

Lee | Wed, 01/28/2009 - 22:13
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True. It's also true that if we were blind we would not be reading and if we were in prison, we would not be free to move about and if we were on a boat, we could not go for a long walk in a straight line. :)

Phroggy | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 01:46
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and-

if no raisins, no raisin bran-
ah, phroggy- let us fly this pointless path. see where she goes!

oh master of points, i hear that hee hee!

Lee | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 17:12
Michael ji Ramaprasad's picture

Ego..a dangerous ally

The ego is not as dumb as we may like to believe. Ego can be a dangerous ally. Why? because it seems to have a mind of its own..lol. Its selfish. "Ego-less" love ego because it knows ego's true nature. Ego hates "egoless" because its means recognizing it's true nature. We have been conditioned to follow the mind. How can a leader be a good leader if it follows his troops? The mind is leading us and it loves it. So we must lose our minds first, so that we can find our true nature or self. Only then will the ego, like the body return to the state of a tool instead of our leader.

The way things are working because of ignorance has been the following: Mind leads the body and spirit(true self) watches. Once in a while in a moment of weakness(according to the mind) the true self is able to give commands. The way it should work is as such: Spirit leads the mind and mind leads the body. In this way spirit can express itself truthfully according to its nature or as it is in the material world.

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 18:51
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Howdy Michael
It's at this point that I usually start talking about the need to collect all the empty beer cans and clear the room of all of the unwanted guests.

Is there a Michael who thinks ego can be a dangerous ally, or is Michael identical to this ego? Does Michael/ego have a mind of it's own apart from some other mind or is Michael/ego a set of thoughts in the only mind there is? Is Michael/ego/mind a real thingy that's separate from spirit that watches, or is the mind the expression of spirit, including the Michael/ego thoughts?

So, instead of a whole crowd in your head, what you really have is a head inside of You. You being the author of all that you experience, including apparent schizophrenia. :)

Phroggy | Thu, 01/29/2009 - 23:45
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okay

Lol I wonder if my wife feels the same way. But seriously, I dont know everything. I hope I can continue to learn from you guys while at the same time be allowed to expressed my thoughts. Just wanted to let you all know that I love you guys no matter what you decide. I will respect your decision if you wish me not write. I feel joy in being who I really am.

love,

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 02:54
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Who you really are...

"Who you really are" is ultimately alone. How can we decide for ya? We're all at the mercy of the switch on the front of your computer :-).

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Omkaradatta | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 02:58
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No dont get me wrong

I love who I am. I just figured since My posts became synomous with cleaning old beer cans and trash that maybe my presence was not desired. What i am saying is that is okay, I just want to respect those around me, if they do not want me around, I will be just as happy. Like you said I am already alone...it took me a while to accept that.

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 03:03
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Misinterpretation

As far as I see it, you misinterpreted Phroggy's post. He's making an analogy (related to a 'crowd in your head')... try re-reading it, without the assumption of personal connotations.

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Omkaradatta | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 03:14
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yeah

Like i said i still have alot to learn lol

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 03:16
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Or mebbe...

Or mebbe a lot to un-learn ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 03:30
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to better clearify

Well, you know what they say sometimes you have to loose your mind to find your self. lol

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 04:09
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to better clearify

Well, you know what they say sometimes you have to loose your mind to find your self. lol

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 04:09
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Thanks for clarifying, Michael.
Thanks for clarifying, Michael. Hehe.

Actually, I like this discussion because it gives me a chance to clarify my 'approach' a bit. Omkar is right, I was simply offering a silly analogy to help us talk about how the mind conjures up all sorts of internal entities that aren't really there. It's just an exploration and wasn't in any way meant to disrespect or to devalue your contribution. On the contrary, as I said yesterday, I'm grateful that you're here because actual discussion seems to be going the way of the dinasoars on this forum, and I find this sort of dynamic interaction very useful for myself at least.

Others on this forum apparently react the same way you did and I spose they feel disrespected or insulted as well, but there is nothing inherently disrespectful, insulting or egoic about talking about what's true, even if it's just my perspective on it. That which feels disrespected, insulted or projects egoosity onto me, is ego, and it's not my intention to purposely trigger or bludgeon ego, but part of the spiritual work is hopefully to recognize that ego is an illusion. I'm blunt and straightforward, and it seems the older I get, the moreso, but there's never any judgment going on here toward nonexistent egos. If anyone deserves to feel disrespected here, it would be me, since most on this forum would shut me up if they could, and have tried more than once, and though I am loved for the bit of excrement on their shoes that I am, most would not tollerate such degradation, and yet there doesn't seem to be anything here who really cares so much.

I've no doubt violated the rule about staying on topic and I have no idea what the topic is anymore, but that seems to be the nature of discussion; for it to change and morph a bit.

Phroggy | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 23:13
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Actually, you're on-topic :-)

The topic is/was "how does egoless look to ego", and it seems here your post is on topic :-). We could always expand it to "how does ego look to ego", or "how does ego look to ego-less", or "how does ego-less look to ego-less", it's all good here ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Fri, 01/30/2009 - 23:35
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HA! Yeah, I just accidentally happened to be on topic that time. Whew! :)

Phroggy | Sat, 01/31/2009 - 22:27