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Suffering is a reminder that this world is not our home.
If it were perfect for us,how many people would seek a better one?

The law of life is this: The less one lives in harmony with the Truth, the more he suffers;but the more you live in harmony with that Truth,the more you experience unending happiness.

Through all the vagaries of life,remain ever blissfully centerd in the indwelling Self.

santana's picture

suffering and perfection are not mutually exclusive

I don't think that suffering is necessarily a sign that the world is not our home. I don't see any validation to this hypothesis.

I do think that suffering is a sign that we do not accept pain, that we resist pain. This is validated easily by direct experience. When one drops resistance to pain, physical or mental, suffering drops, and happiness prevails.

The world is perfect as it is when we accept it as it is. This is the meaning of harmony. There are many speculations regarding what truth is, there is no speculation involved as what acceptance and surrender are.

santana | Tue, 01/24/2012 - 15:22
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A sage can still have physical suffering after enlightment but no longer has any mental of emotional suffering.

If you still have mental suffering there are still vasanas that are disturbing your mind that cause the dream of suffering.

When the heart and mind are purified there is ever new unending bliss with no more dream suffering.

Speculations about Truth are only made by those who have not realized the Truth

Best wishes!

yogivah | Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:10
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I think you are confusing

I think you are confusing between suffering and pain. Suffering is simply the mental outcome of resistance to pain . You don't need to be a sage to extinct suffering, just cease resistance (e.g. It's so simple and immediate.

There is no real difference between physical or mental. An enlightened still can endure physical or mental pain. He has just realized that it is not him that endures the pain and so he does not mount resistance to it.

Your last argument is cyclic and just stresses that sticking to the "truth" cannot serve as a tool against suffering because he who has not "realized the truth" cannot know what that "truth" is to stick to while he who "realized the truth" does not need to stick to the truth anymore in order to change anything. It makes the whole argument redundant.

santana | Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:36
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You can know the truth before enligtnment becomes complete for you.That is why it is important to stick to the truth because the repeated practice of Yoga(SAMADHI)purifies the heart and mind so that no more vasanas arise
When there are no more vasanas Enlightment is permanent(Liberation)

Bliss is are true nature and everybody knows this at a deep level but most feel that this world is there home when suffering comes it reminds them to look inward for the source of happiness and not to the ever changing world for lasting happiness.

When enlightment is complete there is no more mental suffering! the cause of mental suffering has then been destroyed by the the fire of True Knowledge

Best wishes

yogivah | Tue, 01/24/2012 - 17:12
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I think you mean something

I think you mean something else by he word "knowledge". Knowledge is something deterministic, not something which is subjectively, not a speculation. One who has not realized can speculate about truth, can believe someone else about his version of truth, can assume about truth but he cannot know truth, by fact, by the very definition of knowledge.

And the realized one - go figure out who is indeed, who pretends to be, and who deludes himself that he is.

The only supreme knowledge that unrealized one can reach is the knowledge that from his point of view everything can only be a speculation because everything is dependent - dependent on the version of others, dependent on his senses, dependent on his mind logic. This is a basic fact that I think many here try to explain to you. If there was absolute knowledge accessible to anybody with no doubt then everybody would have already be realized or more precisely no body had to be realized.

You can tell me your version of the truth (which for some reason you refrain from doing, you just repeat truth truth) and now I can believe you or I can disbelieve you because from my perspective and the perspective of anybody else it is dependent whether you like it or not.

davids | Wed, 01/25/2012 - 22:50
yogivah's picture

Absoulute Knowledge

Absoulute Knowledge is accessible to everyone.

Absoulute Knowledge is the pure essence and source of everything but most people are looking for lasting happiness and contintment thru there senses and mental ideas,and concepts.

I cant tell you my version of truth because True Knowledge can not be spoken it has to be expereinced,just as the taste of a orange can not be told you have to eat the orange yourself to have true Knowledge of the orange.

Absoulute Knowledge is accessible to everyone but most will read about or talk about or argue about the differant concepts of Truth but not eat the orange

Some mature souls have become enlightned as a spontanous event.Most sincere people need the help of a SatGuru one who has eaten the orange and can help others to do the same

There are Satgurus in the world today that can do this for others

A Satguru can help reveal True Knowledge(present the orange) but then you have to eat it you self

I know that what i write may appear as a paradox but only to one who has not experianced the Truth or what other name you want to call it.

When i was a boy living in florida,usa i left home and lived in the Himalayas,India for seven years with enlightened Yogis who revealed Truth to me.
At first for me it was temporary and they helped me with there own enlightened conciousness and practical intruction on making it permanent.

They revealed the Truth to me and with that experiance i had the conviction(Faith) to follow there instruction because i did want the expereiance to be permanent as that experiance was above and beyond more complete and enduring acessable Bliss than i had ever had.

You can find fault whith everything that i write because nothing that i write is true! The Truth can not be written or spoken!

The Truth can be experienced by you! but are you willing to ask for help and then do what is nessacery to have Enlightnment as your permanent state and beyond?

Complete and absolute surrender of everything and even your own self is needed.

Can you do this? ask yourself am i sincere? am i willing to do anything to Realize God ?


yogivah | Wed, 01/25/2012 - 23:58
bonya basu's picture

Thank u

Thank you!

I vow my head to your feet.

bonya basu | Wed, 02/01/2012 - 11:50
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Love and Blessings to You!

The Gurus Love and Power are with you everyday!

yogivah | Wed, 02/01/2012 - 12:32