Here/now boring? Ironic!

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It's a strange irony that words like "here and now" look boring to the mind, when in actuality your entertainment, enjoyment and upliftment from this website is coming from reading it, here and now!

People talk about "being grounded" in the here and now, and spirituality talks about "ground of Being". 'Awakening' is simply an absolute grounding in the Now, a base of operations (so to speak) that replaces mental beliefs.

The here and now can become your rock to lean on, the one you've always been looking for and never found. Isn't this where life actually happens?

Nisargadatta: "I am in my own state (swarupa), timelessly in the now. Past and future are in mind only -- I am NOW."

"He is your own self (swarupa), your hope and assurance of freedom; find him and cling to him and you will be saved and safe."



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Here and now doesn't refer

Here and now doesn't refer to time and space so much as it refers to mental focus. While a focus on memory happens here and now, it's content is there and then.

The empty words on the screen and the empty spaces between are indeed boring until a mental overlay of personal meaning is applied to them.

Phroggy | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 08:57
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Response...

"Here and now doesn't refer to time and space so much as it refers to mental focus."

I agree, as there is really no 'there and then' outside of the mind. These are merely concepts. The space/time continuum itself is in the mind.

"The empty words on the screen and the empty spaces between are indeed boring until a mental overlay of personal meaning is applied to them."

You have that backwards. Words don't require the person to have meaning. Rather, the person requires words to have meaning ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 09:39
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Say what?

"The empty words on the screen and the empty spaces between are indeed boring until a mental overlay of personal meaning is applied to them."

You have that backwards. Words don't require the person to have meaning. Rather, the person requires words to have meaning ;-).

Huh?

Phroggy | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 18:21
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Saying this...

You seem to be suggesting that words require the existence of a person to have meaning. I was saying that the person requires the existence of words to have meaning.

Obviously words can have meaning without the existence of a person, otherwise why would Nisargadatta or Ramana ever have spoken? It's just that they don't have any personal meaning, are not being 'filtered' in an attempt to support one's personal needs.

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 19:24
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"Obviously words can have

"Obviously words can have meaning without the existence of a person, otherwise why would Nisargadatta or Ramana ever have spoken?"

Meaning is assigned by the listener. If there was no body/mind in the world but Niz, he would NOT have spoken.

Phroggy | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 22:24
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What listener?

Meaning happens, or does not. To Niz, too: "The words of my guru are timelessly with me".

There never was a listener, to assign this or that. This is why I say you may be too focused on the 'me identity' - you're making it up as you go along. The fact of your interest is itself the creation.

Do you feel like you're seeking Oneness right now, as your eyes follow along with this sentence and you read it? If not, you are not a seeker. Perhaps after finishing *this* sentence, you will become one again? ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 04:15
Phroggy | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 04:30
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you are mistakening here&now for something else

You are watching a fascinating movie about the 16th century in Africa in a dark cinema. Soon, you are drawn into the movie as if you are there. If something terrible happens to the hero, you gasp in horror, if something good happens, you smile, if someone surprises him from the back, you jump in your seat. Your presence is in the 16th century and in Africa not here in the cinema, not now in the 21st century. We are all familiar with this phenomenon, this is the power of movies, TV and prose books. That's exactly the state we are in 99% of our other daily time.

Here and now is not just doing something here and now, this does not say much as we always can do only here and now. Doing something does not mean that we are in the here and now. We are watching a movie here and now but we are not here and now, we are in Africa and in the 16th century.

Here and now means that our PRESENCE is here and now. When I read in the website, I am not necessarily here and now. A sentence I read triggers my memory and then I recall what happened yesterday when I read something similar and then the next sentence reminds me that tomorrow I have a meditation session and I get worried about not being able to be there in time etc. Most of time, we are not here and now although the actual apparent action we do is of course here and now but our mind is then and there, in the past, in the future .

The mind can operate only in the future and in the past. Be present here and now and see how your mind gets still. This is the reason why the mind sees the here and now as boring and is afraid of it. Here and now means for the mind a danger of annihilation, no wonder it hates it.

It is very important always that we double check the exact meaning of words, the exact definition of concepts. Most of our misconceptions are merely due to assuming different definitions for the same concept.

leo | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 10:58
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Yes, true...

That's all true, yet I was just pointing out that the 'here and now' is not really boring at all, despite the fact that the mind fears it. It's not boring in our 'ordinary state', as all the exciting, interesting things we do actually happen here and now. And it's not boring if our presence is in the here and now either, as the sages will tell us. The mind is simply deluded, its fears referring to phantoms that aren't there.

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Omkaradatta | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 20:44