Gurus

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All true Guru relationships are based on love
you could be a drug addict
a prostitute
a thief
Think your self unworthy or evil

but

A kind heart showed you truth, not for money not for glory
but because they loved you

A complete stranger and they loved you unconditionally

they asked for nothing in return
only that you listen
for your own sake

Does Guru need to be living ?
to love ?

True Gurus who show love,
death will not stop
the teachings reaching your heart

Did you know Jesus said
" i am a worm "
when met his Guru
he did not love himself
but Guru loved him

If you do not love yourself
if you think yourself unworthy
If your Karma makes you cry

Guru loves you
without judgement

True Guru
is a True friend

Do you physically need to kiss Gurus feet ?

Your transmission of love to your Guru
does not need a physical action unless you feel it needs it

And Gurus transmission of love too you
does not need a physical action unless he feels you need it

Gurus love is immortal
it wont ever stop
death or no death

Can you have that love ?
for a prostitute ?
a thief ?
a drug addict ?
truly ?

if you can. Then Guru is you
True friend

Before all traditions and religions
Love comes 1st

You are loved, by people you might never meet
call them Gurus teachers or friends
their love cannot be stopped

Arutperumjothi Arutperumjothi ThaniperumKanuria Arutperumjothi



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Re: Gurus

What is the value of love to a Guru if one does not practice what has been asked to do?
This type of love turns into obsession.
Jesus was a victim of this type of love shown by His disciples mentioned in the Bible.

Nathyogi | Tue, 05/12/2015 - 06:32
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are you always right ?

it seems you are looking for
problems that aren't there
why do you try to make things what they are not ?

if you understood properly Nathi yogi
then indeed you practise what Guru asked you to do
but Guru showed you what to practise because he loves you
make sense ? simple really

i am afraid the human compassion of
teaching to a thief a prostitute or drug addict
seems lost on you
that love is not an obsession

that was the point of the post
that Guru shows you what to do because he loves you
and you practise what he has shown because you have love for him
and yourself

Nathi yogi i do not have to explain this to everyone on Gurusfeet
but you like poke holes in things you dont understand
if you did understand Nathi Yogi
you would go to your nearest brothel
and start handing out books by your GURU FOR FREE

Your entire reply is an assumption
no one ever said not to practise what Guru has taught

Mr jack | Tue, 05/12/2015 - 07:31
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Re: are you always right ?

I don't mind to be wrong all the time in the eyes others.
If the thing is not there, there cannot be any discussion.
I am not eligible to teach anyone. On the forum we are just discussing things.
I appreciate your compassion and daring to teach a drug addict, prostitute, thief, etc. It seems you are more merciful than Lord Jesus. Keep it up.
I have just given my feelings after reading your blog. If you think you are poked, it is your assumption.
My books are free to all and can be downloaded free. If time comes they may be read even by a drug addict, prostitute, thief, etc. without any campaign.
Practicing what is taught is more important than love. If it has been assumed would it not be true that Jesus was arrested by the love of a disciple? Out of love another disciple denied to be His disciple for thrice though was forewarned by his Guru.

Nathyogi | Tue, 05/12/2015 - 10:39
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You can practise what Guru

You can practise what Guru has taught
because he had the love to show you and teach you in 1st place

This love is open to all despite your sins

That love is not an obsession

If Guru showed you no Love
then he would teach you nothing

make sense ?

If it has been assumed would it not be true that Jesus was arrested by the love of a disciple? Out of love another disciple denied to be His disciple for thrice though was forewarned by his Guru.

Then they did not really Love him did they ?
if they arrested him or denied him

Your using examples of Jesus disciples who did not truly
love him
hence they denied and arrested him

It was not out of Love that they arrested him or denied him

if that is the Love you think i am talking about
you have missed the point completely
by focusing on disciples who also missed the point completely

Mr jack | Tue, 05/12/2015 - 11:32
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Re: You can practise what Guru

You have misunderstood the point completely.
Every teacher teaches in a class to all students equally. He is just doing his duty. He loves to do his duty. If students have love for teacher but do not practice what do you call? This is what happened with the disciples of Jesus.
Read the Bible, they expressed their love for their Guru after everything was over. Duty is more imporatnt than love.
Take an example of two sons and a father. A father teaches, supports and helps them equally. Though he loves both but he loves more the one who disobeys him due to the fear of consequences of actions, not of love, that his son has to face.
A son surpasses father not because father loves him but practicing what one's father teaches him. Hence practice is more important than love.
You may go on doing sin and expect Guru or God to love you all the time. Even God cannot love if one does not repent and change one's ways.

Nathyogi | Tue, 05/12/2015 - 12:07
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no you are wrong read a book

i misunderstood nothing

i was not referring to the obsessive love you mentioned
that came from you All you

I said VERY SIMPLY GURU Teaches you out of Love

I Never said not to practise

i was SIMPLY SAYING Guru Loves you

you point of practise being more important than love
i never argued against
but if you read the original post properly
i am talking about love
Not your obsessive love
Love for the human infront of you

it doesn't surprise me that you cant understand this love

You may go on doing sin and expect Guru or God to love you all the time. Even God cannot love if one does not repent and change one's ways.

where did you get that from ??
pull that out your bum ??

The post was simple

GURU LOVES YOU
PEOPLE LOVE YOU
YOU ARE TAUGHT BECAUSE GURU LOVES YOU

and no nathi yogi you are very wrong
how many jesus disciples that did do what jesus taught ?
so why not re read the Bible Nathi maybe some of the gospels
that weren't included in it
because your assumption about his disciples is foolish
do some real research

Mary Thomas James John etc why not read their gospels

You missed the point of the entire post completely
i never mentioned obsessive love YOU DID
i never said love Guru without practise YOU DID

Mr jack | Tue, 05/12/2015 - 14:27
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If you read the post

If you read the post properly

i never mention obsessive love
i never say love is more important that practise

you are reading into things that aren't there

where did i say love is more important that duty ??
where did i say obsessive love for Guru ??
Where did i say love Guru or God without practise ??

it is you who read into things that aren't there
you use examples of well known disciples
without even considering the others you do not know about

Mr jack | Tue, 05/12/2015 - 15:22
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Re: To Your 2 Comments

It is good if you have not misunderstood. It is better if I seem to be wrong to you. I prefer duty to love.

It is my opinion what I feel as truth. His disciples (mentioned in the Bible) were blamed for his suffering.
Jesus suffered on the cross because of the disciples who did not understand His preachings.
I don’t remember their names.
1. All the disciples allowed their Guru to wash their feet.
2. One of the disciple caused Jesus arrest.
3. Another had denied being His disciple for thrice before a cock crowed on the night though he was forewarned by their Guru.
4. None of them protested against the trial of Jesus crucifixion.
5. When He reappeared they were suspicious about Jesus being a ghost.
6. Only they accepted His resurrection only when they felt Him and His words.
7. But they lived by projecting their shortcomings as the sacrifice of Jesus for sinners.
This is the quantum of truth in preaching the Gospel to the world.
I am not enough brave to practice the teachings and long for the love of such disciples.

Hari Om!

Nathyogi | Wed, 05/13/2015 - 04:24
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jesus

You are correct
many of his disciples
were not good to him
why would you long for the love of such disciples ?

But many you do not hear about without seeking out
James was Jesus's brother.
he definitely understood Jesus preaching
Mary his wife did too
So did Salome
His daughter Sarah and his son
At 70 he wrote book in Tamil
yes Jesus was a Siddhar
and other Siddhars learnt and practised his teaching
properly
In Tamil Nadu this is quite well known
but not in the western world because
it makes many Christians uncomfortable

There are disciples and information not mentioned in the bible
because of there controversy. Some of the apostles even tried to cover his family up. Luke.
The bible has been edited to represent a type of Christianity

Jesus suffered on the cross because he gave Theekshai
to 5000 people. He took a little bit of karma from each of them
so they could practise Penance and achieve heavenly light body

He was put on the cross because he took the Karma of others
in order to help them

Theekshai is a transmission. Guru takes some of your accumulated Karma on to himself so you can progress and unlocks Divine jothi
in your eyes. This is what Happened to jesus as a disciple and this is what Jesus did for 5000 people when he became Guru

Duty is important
duty is done out of love
i think we both agree on this ?

My Point is Guru loves you and loves you to practise
whether you be sinful of not
the door is always open if you want to change
whether you be a drug addict thief prostitute
there is hope for you if you practise , practise , practise

Arutperumjothi

Mr jack | Wed, 05/13/2015 - 08:02
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Re: Jesus

You are free to believe and practice your Guru's teachings. So am I.
I don't believe in the theory of Theekshai about Lord Jesus (taking karmas of others, etc.).
A self-realized person like Jesus goes beyond all karmas and their consequences. This is the opinion of ancient seers and sages of India.

Hari Om!

Nathyogi | Wed, 05/13/2015 - 09:09
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opinion

it is your opinion Nathi
and you have a right too it
i know many sages and Siddhas
that think otherwise

Arutperumjothi

Mr jack | Wed, 05/13/2015 - 10:29