Guru & disciple

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"" The disciple has to be ready & ripe; only at that moment does the Master become visible>The disciple has to earn eyes, to earn ears,to create a heart, to feel.How can the Sun appears if you are blind? The Sun may appear but you will go on missing it.
I have come across many seekers who are searching for a Master not at all aware that the disciple is completely absent.The disciple is not there at all.How can you find a master?
The Master is not just an objective phenomenon there, first He has to be some thing interior in you.That's what disciple hood is :- a preparation, athirst ,a passionate desire ,a great passion for truth.That is lacing .And then people go on searching,and if they do not find ,it is not surprising.They are not going to find! They may come across many Masters,but they will go on missing.
God descends in many forms some times as Buddha and some times as Krishna & some times as Mahavir & some time as Mohamed.And GOD comes always in new forms,and your conclusion are always from the old.
If you cling to conclusion ,prejudices,ideas,philosophies,you will not be able to meet a master because His whole work consist of destroying all kind of philosophies.He is interested in the real thing,He is not interested in speculation about things.""

— OSHO, from ""The Perfect Master-Talk on Sufi stories-I""

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Nice text. All external

Nice text.

All external gurus anyway lead to the guru within.

lilian | Fri, 01/02/2009 - 17:44
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And the guru within leads to the external ones - they are all interconnected, they are all manifestations of the same essence, it can e said that in a certain view, they are all one.

But we have not enough trust in our inner guru (due to our belief that we are a one solid entity so who am i to say this and that?) and there is the mind there which distorts and makes noises so that it is very difficult to hear and very difficult to tell the difference - what is mind and what is guru - this is the reason for the external guru - a reflection of the inner guru so that it would be easier for us to listen and trust.

abra | Fri, 01/02/2009 - 18:53
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My Shaktipat Experience with Yogi Madan Gautam

Everything went amazingly well. I was overwhelmed with the "power" of Mother Shakti. Within five minutes of sitting down, my upper body began to roll around and I felt my hands grow hot. There were some pin pricks in my shoulder and a pain ran through my right leg (which pains me because I jog regularly). Then I felt my arms and legs out of control, going in different directions. My hands began to shake uncontrollably during the sessions I had to get up at one point and begin a jerky dance routine. I felt my inner thighs hitting each other during the thrashing around. My feet also began to stomp around of their own accord. Then I felt myself being pushed downward and then pulled back upwards and in between my upper body would keep rolling around. I felt like I was drunk most of the time, slurring my words.

I sang silly songs, made funny high-pitched noises like an ambulance siren and then roared quietly like a lion. Then I began acting like a baby, gurgling, and calling"mama". At one point in time I found myself uttering only words beginning with the letter "f" such a fuggy, flew, fooh, fley etc. I also made a lot of gutteral sounds from my throat as if I were trying to free something stuck in there. At times I felt myself screaming but in a subdued way so only I could hear myself.

In the first 30 minutes or so, I was sweating a lot and felt my clothing becoming damp. Afterwards, I cooled off a bit. The energy stayed with me for approximately 1 hour and 25 minutes with a few short breaks in between, none lasting more than 2 minutes. Every time I prayed to Kundalini Shakti, She came back and I felt Her energy coursing through me again making my arms and legs move about without control. I think She was actually listening to me! I felt very nauseous for about an hour and more than once I made my way to the sink to vomit but nothing came up.

At 2.00 pm my time, I was so exhausted I had to lie down. I gave thanks to the Mother, the Lineage Gurus and your kind self for helping me with this awakening.

All of this is very astounding, given the fact that anyone who knows me will tell you that I am very conservative in my behaviour - very prim and proper. I speak very softly and I don't drink, eat meat or go out dancing and I never shout. And yet, there I was under the influence of Mother Kundalini acting very contrary to my usual behaviour!

However, at the end of the session I just felt lighter and 'cleaner' not necessarily blissful.

I also noted that I began feeling lighter in the morning even before you started your prayers and invocations. In fact I noticed a few beneficial things happening that were not expected - concerning mundane matters. I don't know if there is a connection or it is just coincidence.

So there you are! A full report and my deepest thanks for your effort and devotion. Tomorrow we continue again, same time and same place.

Well the second day was fine and very similar to the first day. There was less thrashing around with the hands and feet and fewer gutteral sounds but still enough to make me tired at the end of the session. She rolled me around and there were intervals with intense leg movements. The "f' sounds continued and at times I felt myself hissing like an angry snake or singing in a high pitched tone.The overall feeling of drunkeness stayed with me throughout the session. Whenever I tried to tie my hair up, Mother Kundalini would shake me from side to side until my hair came cascading down - almost as if She didn't want the hair tied up. There were a few heavy inhalations and exhalations. I had more mental experiences this time with a feeling of whizzing through the cosmos. The feeling of nausea was present and I suspect it might be connected to the vigorous upper body movements which gave me motion sickness. (I suffer from motion sickness when I drive through high altitudes). I drank some water and the nausea disappeared.
At the end of the session, I gave thanks to Mother Kundalini, the Lineage Gurus and your good self.

So there you have it for Day Two.
Thank you so much again and we shall begin tomorrow at the same time.

Today's Shaktipat went well with a difference. There were less physical movements. It took longer for me to feel the Energy but She did come. It was more mental this time. Actually I was a little worried because I woke up with bad nausea this morning and (tiredness as well) and I wondered if my stomach could take more shaking up. But I was prepared for anything.

I had my eyes closed and felt the impact from the crown of my head when She descended upon me. She shook me up a bit and drunken feeling came but there was less thrashing around this time. I did have the urge to spit out the "f" words and there was some hissing and high-pitched noises but not with the same intensity like Monday. She kept moving me backwards and forwards and I felt my upper body being pushed down over my knees several times. While down with my eyes closed, I would see the colour blue - a deep dark, rich blue in various patterns. Once or twice, I saw this blue colour in a pattern of indescribable beauty with tiny points of lights in other colours sparkling in the collage. Another time I saw the same blue in a mechanical design that wasn't pretty. When I attempted to raise my head with my eyes still closed, I would see red everywhere in the form of a huge red sun shining at me.
She was very quiet at times and I would also close my eyes during these moments. I would see an inner sky with waves of beautiful multi-coloured clouds rolling across each other. Once I saw pink and at other times, I saw blues, greys and greens. It was quite stunning. I recall seeing an avenue of yellow lights as well.
At the end of the session, she shook me up again, rotated my body until the chair shaked a bit and then She left.

As usual I gave thanks for the Blessing of Her Grace and to all who helped me in the initiation.

So there you have it for Day 3.

How are you? Well today was different. There was very little physical movement although I did get rolled around a bit ...but no dancing or hands and feet moving in different direction. There were a few hard breath exhalations and a few facial contortions. The feeling of drunkeness was not as intense as before. It was largely mental in that I had inner experiences similar to those I have in meditation. I closed my eyes and saw the inner sky with multi-coloured waves of spectacular dimensions. I felt the energy descend upon money every time I prayed to Her. I felt light.
So there you have it. Thank you again for the patience and time and I also express deepest gratitude to Mother Kundalini Shakti and the gurus of the Siddha lineage for their grace.

See you again tomorrow at the same time.

I trust that you are well. Day five of Shaktipat went well. There were more physical movements today than yesterday and I felt Mother Kundalini more intensely although not as intensely as Monday. I found myself singing all kinds of silly little songs, in languages I don't understand. Most of it must have been nonsense but the urge to sing was very strong. There was a little shaking up and rolling around as well. I felt myself exhaling very strongly at times and a gutteral sounds came from my throat. I felt myself spitting out words beginning with "f" again. At one time She made me jump up and down for about a minute. At another time She made me shout out loud for a second.
There fewer mental experiences today but I felt light bordering on a gentle form of detached bliss. The feeling of drunkeness was there and it stayed with me for up to 20 minutes after the session ended at 2 pm (my time).

So there you are...once more my deepest gratitude to you, the Mother and Gurus of the Siddha lineage.

See you tomorrow at the same time for the final session.If there is anything I need to know with respect to following up, please let me know.

Yesterday, the last day of Shaktipat went well. There were fewer physical movements and almost no mental experiences. I felt myself singing, yawning and moving around my arms and feet a bit. I was feeling a little low in spirits in spirits before I started but after I completed the session, I felt better. Now I will continue my prayers and meditation and see what happens. I intend to visit to visit India later this year or next year and I shall be considering some of the ashrams I see listed on your links.

So there you are.... once again thank you so much for your assistance. Thanks to as well Mother Kundalini Shakti and the gurus of the Siddha Lineage. If there is anything that you wish me to do for you, please let me know. I shall give a small offering to the homeless as a debt of gratitude for this awakening.

Many thanks.

Bliss | Mon, 07/20/2009 - 15:26