God is not awareness

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God is not awareness

Ekshateti kriyaa saivaatmaa na tu karakah .

(Wish is verb and not any agent that wishes. The soul or Jiva is only a special work and not the working element).

Veda says that God wished to create this world. Hence, people say that God is awareness due to wish. Here wish is a verb and not noun. This means that the awareness, which is wish, means a work only and not a working element. Already we have established that awareness is a special work of inert energy functioning in the special system called as nervous system. Therefore, the soul is the name of some special work only done by inert energy in the nervous system similar to grinding work done by current in grinding machine. Hence, the word soul is only a verb and not a noun, if you analyze deeply on scientific and logical line.



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"Veda says that God wished to create this world. Hence, people say that God is awareness due to wish. Here wish is a verb and not noun."

Seriously, I think that's just you saying that. God is not a noun and never wished anything. You can't reconcile a personal God with Advaita.

Phroggy | Sun, 12/28/2008 - 07:18
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Soul is not God..

The Advaita philosopher is treating every human being (living being) as God not to love all as God, but to treat himself as God only. The intention is not to train himself to remove the ego and jealousy but to increase the ego by becoming God! If you think that the Prime Minister in Delhi means that the Prime Minister is in every house in Delhi, it is foolishness. You have to recognize his particular residence. If you think that he is in some house, though he is not actually in that house, at least you are better, because at least your concept is improved because at least you know that he lives in one house and not in every house! Therefore, it is better to worship some deserving person like a poor devotee as God instead of treating every body as God. Treating a statue or a photo as God is like treating a vacant inert house as the living Prime Minister himself!

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Universal Spirituality for World Peace
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dattaswami2 | Sun, 12/28/2008 - 09:55
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Mistake

"The intention is not to train himself to remove the ego and jealousy but to increase the ego by becoming God!"

You have grievously misunderstood the teachings of Advaita. Read them with more depth, instead of taking everything at face value.

All it is saying is that God is not 'external', is not 'out there' away from us. To take God as being out in the sky someplace is silly. Your own concept of what "God" is supposed to be is what's blocking you. Realizing God is not the same thing as imagining or thinking about Him.

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Omkaradatta | Sun, 12/28/2008 - 16:59
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concept of Advaita is a psychological method

Even the concept of Advaita is a psychological method in maintaining good health. If you are under the constant imagination that you are God (Aham Brahmasmi), it is a good psychological trick to avoid tensions and preserve the mental strength. It gives courage and confidence to have detachment. Another psychological trick associated with this is to think that this creation is just a mental illusion. By this concept, no tension can disturb you. The concept is a total lie because neither you are God nor world is your illusion. But, you get a good benefit through this false concept. You can use this concept temporarily for the situation like a sweater in winter. But, you should not continue this concept forever and waste your entire life without worshipping the Lord. It is just like a pain killer tablet before undergoing a surgery, which is a long time process. You should not use the pain killer continuously and avoid the surgery. Similarly, you can use the concept of Advaita in getting temporary relief from tensions. But, you should throw away that concept as soon as you meet the Lord.

You must throw away the sweater in summer. If you continue yourself in the same false concept and really think that you are the God, you loose the golden chance of really becoming the God. If you serve the Lord, you will become one of His close circle and there is a rapid chance for you to become a real human incarnation. God enters a devotee and the soul of the devotee merged with God in the gross body is like the electric wire embedded in the plastic cover. The Veda says that the two birds stay on one tree (Dvasuparna…). The two birds are God (current) and soul (wire) covered by the gross body of the devotee (Plastic cover). Due to continuous false Advaita, you loose the chance of real Advaita. This is said to be the greatest loss by the Veda (Mahateevinashtih…).

If you see, there are only two items i.e., wire and plastic cover only. But, there is invisible current hidden in the wire, which is different from these two. While writing commentary on the Gita, Shankara stressed on Purusha (wire) and Prakruti (Plastic cover) only, since the current is invisible and is identified with the wire itself. The wire and current are inseparable and this is the main concept of Vishishtaadvaita of Ramanuja. The Purusha (soul or wire) is completely different from the Purushottama (God or current) and this is stressed by Dvaita of Madhva. All the three are simultaneously correct from the simultaneous angles of the three observers. Therefore, the Purusha Suktha in the Veda describes Purushottama only, since both are inseparable and identified as a single item only as per the Advaita concept of Shankara. This is perfectly correct provided you restrict this concept to human incarnation only. If you extend this concept to every human being, every soul becomes God and the total collapse takes place.

In an electrified wire only, the wire indicates current. In a non-electrified wire, the wire cannot indicate current by extending the previous concept. While writing commentary on the Vedic hymn (Dvasuparna…), Shankara referred to two components of the soul (Jiva and Atman) because He was surrounded by atheists, who do not like to hear the word ‘God’. By the time of Ramanuja and Madhva, the foundation of Shankara grew well and hence, both the birds were referred as God and soul in the human incarnation. Whenever Shankara referred soul as God, it is the case of human incarnation only because the debate arises there only i.e., whether He is God or Soul only. There is no debate in absolute God or a human soul because God is God and soul is soul.

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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Universal Spirituality for World Peace
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dattaswami2 | Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:44
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God

God could not be separate from the devotee in actuality, or else there could never be any union... God would always remain separate. Worshipping the lord constitutes always a "me" separate from a "you" (God).

I'm not talking about the devotee's ego being God, but the devotee's soul or Reality. Of course one doesn't go about pretending to be God to others. Rather, we all are God equally. The separateness is false. There is no separateness in truth between us as jivas, or between us and God.

Devotee: "There is no me, there is only You."

Advaitin: "There is only Me, there is no you."

Both lead to the same goal, which is the end of the "me/you" separation and union with God. Try to be more open-minded about different paths, as they suit different temperaments.

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Omkaradatta | Mon, 12/29/2008 - 14:08
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Your post seems to have nothing to do with the post you're responding to. It's not uncommon for folks to read the words of others and hear only the words in their own heads. This could make understanding any "philosophy" difficult.

Phroggy | Sun, 12/28/2008 - 19:51