God's Insult to Injury: Twice-Over

genep's picture

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... the overwhelmingly OBVIOUS Message in the Bhagavad Gita is that the “god” called Krishna
could do NOTHING, not even for his “beloved-one”, devotee, called Arjuna.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Arjuna was confronted with his Epic Battle: the biggest bloodbath known to humanity at the time.
The best Krishna could do for Arjuna was add insult-to-injury twice-over with the only advice he could give:
ONE: Arjuna you have NO choice but fight your Epic Battle ... in which you have no-choice but slaughter the likes of friends, family and teachers....

TWO: I, Krishna, God, I ALSO have the same no-choice that prevents me from helping anyone ... not even you, Arjuna – not even if you are facing not only a bloodbath of family, teachers and friends, ... but the biggest bloodbath humanity can imagine... Arjuna -- as much as I would like I simply cannot help you.

God can appear to a child being molested, abused and even mutilated
but the best God can do for such a tormented child
is to add insult-to-injury twice-over by giving the only advice a god can give ... the exact same advice Krishna had no-choice but give Arjuna:
ONE: Child you have NO choice, but suffer...
TWO: I, god, also have NO-choice so I cannot give you what I don't have “choice” .... and my no-choice prevents me from helping you or anyone else, no matter how extreme the misery and suffering.

like all scriptures, the Bhagavad Gita gives us the same OBVIOUSLY overwhelming Message that is an unmitigated insult-to-injury twice-over -- especially to the billions starving and suffering:
Even thought I'm God ... not even I can do anything but insult you twice-over by telling you:
ONE: you have no-choice, and
TWO: even though I am God, not even I can do anything to help you ... but insult you twice-over.

a Guru is no different from God...
any guru who promises to do something that god cannot promise, let alone do,
is an even bigger insult-to-injury than God can be, twice-over.

and for this twice-over insult
that God must be with the only advice he can give:

Realization is all about
laughing at the gods
that need advice for all their no-choices,
and metaphorically slaughtering all the gods
that are stupid enough
to insult mankind twice-over with the only advice they can give:
ONE: there is NO choice
TWO: even though I'm God –
I also have this exact same no-choice
that prevents me from helping my-self,
let alone anyone else.

-- O'no

Arjunan's picture

dear genep! u r partially right and partially wrong too...

let me explain fully....

first brahma has written mahabharatam so and so and it should not be made false...

next ....its continuation of another life...

sage nara and sage narayana were meditating....

so many disturbed sage nara "as his name meant man"

but in time of cursing of devas narayana pacified him...


the same story repeated...
now evil disturbed men has to be shown defeat...
if ur god u wnat men to uphold righteousness what can u give...

and more so what happended in creation cycle comes out with time as ramayana mahabharata and ten avatars as such ...

u must have vision to see what brahma suffered before creation...

next if u own the computer u delete and destroy the viruses or just leave them to torment ur computer...

so the virusses has to be destroyed...

next ...

for the sake of war and weapons arjuna has done enough tapas for getting all weapons and cause should have its effect he must use his weapons...

what is the use of ksahtirya as ruling class u do not fight...

next by sastras by dying in righteous battle a kshatriya reaches heaven...

so for this and many more the war is correct...

now for this 5000 years its guiding humanity is enough to prove that its right we as puny mortals do not know the whole reason and blame...

their are lot of reasons...

even a miny tiruchendur fight which had ramayanan and mahabharata are its forerunners...

lot to answwer ask u shall be given....


Bharat matha ki jai.

Arjunan | Tue, 07/14/2009 - 15:08
Phroggy's picture


How absurd. You have done just that here, as man has done with every sacred text throughout history.
Arjuna's battle is about an internal battle, not the destruction of evil in the world or some such. In this battle, all that you believe to be true must be slain and defeated, including the slayer, and so who is to be saved from this battle and how could it be possible?

Phroggy | Tue, 07/14/2009 - 19:33
davids's picture

It is not that simplified

Absurd is also to reduce everything to the internal as a onw dimensional allegory. This is not spirituality. There is no difference between the internal and the external, only in philosophy and psychology.

This is another misunderstanding of the west when it tries to take ownership of eastern mythology.

davids | Wed, 07/15/2009 - 01:29
Phroggy's picture


Yes, reduce everything to the internal and drop your deer-in-the-headlights focus on the external. Look within, "The kingdom of heaven is within". How many spiritual teachers have told you that and still you won't accept it. The Gita must be referring to some monumental battle between good and evil in the world, or pointing out the boundaries of God's power to help us, and such nonsense. As with all truths, it's stupidly simple and mind can't help but complicate.

If there is no diference between the internal and external, then it's all remarkably simple, isn't it? What is within is pointed to for those who don't know they are the same. If you know this, why do you insist on complicating it?

Phroggy | Wed, 07/15/2009 - 21:24
Omkaradatta's picture

One dimensional

> Absurd is also to reduce everything to
> the internal as a onw dimensional allegory.
> This is not spirituality.

One dimensionality is 'absurd', eh?

Oh, I forgot... all is not "one"... all is "two", all is "multiple" (chuckling) ;-).

P.S. yes, maybe it's not spirituality. Maybe it's reality. Maybe 'spirituality' is part of the dream of separateness (of which 'davids' is solely interested in).

Maybe 'to reduce' is what's needed rather than 'to expand', eh? When one is reduced to nothingness, one is everything. But, people are afraid.


Omkaradatta | Thu, 07/16/2009 - 03:06
Phroggy's picture


It seems that whatever is said is dismissed as overly conceptual or overly simplified. I get the sense that the purpose is to dismiss, and the actual reason for the dismisal is irrelevant.

Phroggy | Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:33
dhorai's picture

stop this mind game please and enter into bhakti mode!

recite maha mantra and be in bliss...
sri krishna chaitanya prabhu nityananda sri advaita gadhadara sri vasadi gaura bhakta vrndha....
"hare krishna hare krishna
krishna krishna hare hare
Hare rama hare rama
Rama rama hare hare"

recite this 16 rounds of 108 malas and live in great krishna consiousness....

thank u.....let bhakti float in every mind....

let teachers mentioned give us strength to taste enough nectar of devotion.

with love

dhorai | Thu, 08/06/2009 - 02:00
genep's picture

write or wrong

years ago I stopped caring about the meaning of words my hands write... only when I don't care can they make me laugh or my head spin.
The dualities of being right or wrong, evil or good, truth or lies THUS NEVER EVER ENTER MY PICTURE

- these dualities can thus only pollute YOUR picture.

-- really

genep | Sun, 08/09/2009 - 01:45
joshoda's picture

ONE: Arjuna you have NO

ONE: Arjuna you have NO choice but fight your Epic Battle ... in which you have no-choice but slaughter the likes of friends, family and teachers
According to my understanding Krishna insisted Arjuna to fight because he wanted to destroy the sense of dualism from Arjuna........He was hesitating to fight coz in the other side he had his strings of attachments. Had it not been his relatives, friends or Guru perhaps Arjuna would have fought with a glory. I can give u a similar example..........Drukpa Kinley an enlightened mystic, popularly know as divine madman in Bhutan and Tibet was said to have sex with his mother against her will. Right after that he went around the village saying what happened. After this brutal act of his son something unknown dawn upon her. The concept of dualism dissolved in her.

TWO: I, god, also have NO-choice so I cannot give you what I don't have “choice” .... and my no-choice prevents me from helping you or anyone else, no matter how extreme the misery and suffering.
When I was young I used to wonder if god is a good god then why people suffer. Why is the humanity in such a misery? Why only rich people win lottery? Why is there a natural disaster where even a small child is not spared? But now I have come to understand that even god has no choice. Everyone is responsible for his /her state...IT IS SO, SO IT IS. No matter how hard one tries one cannot eradicate the human suffering,not even god, until there is a holistic evolution of human consciousness.

joshoda | Sat, 08/08/2009 - 06:37
Phroggy's picture

If there were such a God, of

If there were such a God, of course he could eradicate. He could do whatever he chose. But there is no such personal God. What we call God is here, entranced by his own dream. And so, yes, he must slay his illusions. In that death, there is life.

Phroggy | Sat, 08/08/2009 - 06:53
Omkaradatta's picture


"And so, yes, he must slay his illusions."

Who is doing the killing? Is there something separate from the illusions, in order to kill them off? A thinker, separate from thought? Is not the thinker himself a thought?

Lose interest, and they go away. This is really about surrender and 'allowing'. About repeated patterns that cease repeating, and an extreme simplification in which one dies to the separative mind of the past.


Omkaradatta | Sat, 08/08/2009 - 08:45
Phroggy's picture

We're talking about the

We're talking about the story in the gita; an alegory about fighting with those concepts you're referring to. If that's all silly to you and it's just a simple matter of choosing to lose interest, please outline the proceedure for that.
How to lose interest
Step 1
Step 2
Step 3

Phroggy | Sat, 08/08/2009 - 19:55
Omkaradatta's picture


OK, I'll bite ;-).

Step 1 - get bored
Step 2 - stop doing something
Step 3 - interest lost

Admittedly, as a transient image lacking volition, the above isn't possible for a 'self' to do by choice... but I thought I'd respond anyhoo ;-).


Omkaradatta | Sat, 08/08/2009 - 20:54
Phroggy's picture

I find that losing interest

I find that losing interest comes from noticing the futility or falsity, and so seeing this might require an interest in seeing it. The 'battle' referred to in the Gita is this recognition, inevitably ocurring in the face of some resistance and a sense of loss.

Phroggy | Sun, 08/09/2009 - 00:49
genep's picture

God's choice

God created untold evil, suffering and misery
to make him a really, Really, REALLY good god.

-- really, Really REALLY.

genep | Sun, 08/09/2009 - 01:33