fear the unknown?

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How can I fear the unknown? I myself am the unknown. Shall I fear this Being, this Nowness that I am?

Life, death, love, adventure and mystery. All these things are contained in the being of the One who calls Himself Me.

If you call yourself Me,

Then you *are* Me.

kalgo's picture

unknown and control

You are beyond the unknown and known. This pair was invented in order to strive for control. Known is under control, unknown is out of control and therefore the fear. Known and unknown can be defined only where there is knowledge and words. You are beyond that.

kalgo | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 07:21
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The unknown

The unknown is what isn't known, thus it's already beyond the mind. To you it may be the fear and lack of control, to me it's home.

You can't shut out or avoid the mind, it has to be transcended by facing it and revealing its workings, and by letting go of attachments. This is the mistake people seem to make around here quite often, to try and shut the mind off directly. Even if it were possible, the only result would be to become a zombie who can't think. The mind can't be "controlled," it can only be released, let go of. Either let go of everything, or hold on and be bound by the attachment(s) and the thoughts they create.


Omkaradatta | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 17:39
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Faulty programming

It's like you've got a program on your computer that locks up the computer every time it's turned on. The solution for a lot of folks is to stop the computer from running, so they keep turning it off or pulling the plug. Then they want to email their friends about how they fixed the problem and so they turn on the computer, and it locks up again.

The obvious solution is not to stop the computer from running but to remove the faulty programming.

Phroggy | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 21:58
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Excellent analogy :-).

It's worth noting that Nisargadatta talked much of 'the redemption of the mind', and (afaik) never once hinted that the mind was to be avoided, rejected, controlled or shut down.

Perhaps the real issue is this: Controlling or shutting down the mind takes only brief meditation(s), but watching the mind requires continuous alertness. And such alertness is really the end of the mind, which needs non-alertness to survive. In other words, the first step is the last step, and nobody wants the seeking to end.


Omkaradatta | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 22:26
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Eggzakly. Calming the mind also helps one to function better within the dream, which is what most folks are looking for. It may actually be necessary to slow mind down a bit in order to 'watch it', which is why I never say don't meditate, just notice the traps and boundaries of a long term practice that takes on a life of it's own.

Somebody said that ego is always two steps ahead of 'you', which sounds odd, but it's true in that unconsciously we're already planning our escape even as we start out on the so called spiritual path, and as you imply, mind already knows which 'paths' will take it to it's doom, and strategically avoids those.

Phroggy | Mon, 01/05/2009 - 03:16
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There is not only one path

You will be surprised that it is possible and I am talking from experience.

Be careful with sweeping bombastic decelerations about things that happen not to comply with your believes and own path.

Tania | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 23:02
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Not on a path

I'm not on any path, and I have no beliefs.

If you're enlightened, then congrats, it works ;-). If not, you're obviously not doing what works. Oh, sure, one can get a little temporary peace, but even just taking a long bath or sauna works well too.

P.S. what to be careful for? If you are confident and sure of your path and its effectiveness, just move on to the next posting (it doesn't hurt me either to post something). But it seems you aren't...


Omkaradatta | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 23:41
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Tania | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 23:41
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I think it would be wonderful to be able to discuss our differences in perspective instead of dismissing them as 'sweeping bombastic decelerations' (Sounds like ground zero at the Nevada test range, eh?:).

I agree there isn't just one path. There are infinite paths but it's not because there are infinite Truths or that there aren't certain things that (almost) inevitably must happen. The various paths are needed because different people lack different understandings and so block their own realization in different ways. All paths begin to merge long before Truth is approached, and so many 'declarations' can be made about what the end of the path looks like. This is how the many various gurus can agree on their pointers. All the pointers are pointing to the same final steps. "The path is straight and narrow. Waste no time."

I often wonder what folks mean when they say things like, 'I've been meditating for 30 years and it works!' or 'I tried this technique and it works!' If it really worked, there wouldn't be anybody around to prescribe it, as you'll notice that most gurus do not prescribe techniques. When ego says, "It works!" I find myself looking out of the corner of my 'I' at them.

Phroggy | Mon, 01/05/2009 - 03:34
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Sweeping bombastic...

"instead of dismissing them as 'sweeping bombastic decelerations' (Sounds like ground zero at the Nevada test range, eh?:)."

Actually, I suggest everyone decelerate until they stop ;-). The mind ends, "you" end and the dream is over. But does anybody want this?

People say they want enlightenment, without having a clue really what it is. It is the end of life as you know it, plain and simple. One launches headlong into the unknown as nobody, with no past, no future, no hopes, no dreams and no goals. Really, everybody better depart and go do something else instead (LOL ;-).


Omkaradatta | Mon, 01/05/2009 - 06:10
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Aren't you the known?

Aren't you the known? only the known?

seeker | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 15:50
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Omkaradatta | Sun, 01/04/2009 - 17:13