Faith is beyond intelligence!

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It is easy to acquire intelligence. If we work continuously using our intellect, it matures into intelligence. There are a number of meditation techniques that can help us sharpen our intellect. The peak of intellect is intelligence.

Emotions arise from the heart. Ancient masters have taught us many meditation techniques and methods to work on our emotions. Any of these meditation techniques will change our emotion to faith. The peak of emotion is faith.

Our thoughts have lot of power. Be clear about one thing: if you believe in a particular God or Guru, believe it with all your might. Do not bother about whether he has power or not. Your faith has the power.

Ramakrishna used to narrate this beautiful parable to his devotees.

A learned scholar, a great pundit, had his home on one bank of a river. All provisions for his home used to come from the other bank. A milkmaid used to bring him fresh milk every morning.

One morning she was late, very late. The pundit was very angry with her. ‘My morning prayers have been delayed because of you’ he ranted, ‘don’t you have any responsibility?’

She apologized profusely. ‘Master, the river was in spate and the boats refused to ply. That’s why I was late.’

‘Don’t give me excuses’ roared the pundit, ‘if the boats couldn’t come you should have walked on water. How can you make the Gods wait? Have faith and cross the river.’

The milkmaid meekly listened and went away. She was never late gain. A month later it rained profusely for a week and no boats could ply. Yet, the milkmaid came on time and delivered the milk.

The pundit asked the milkmaid how she managed to come at all. She simply said, ‘you told me how to do it. I believed in you and walked on the water ever since that day!’

The pundit was shocked. Disbelieving her, he took her to the riverbank and told her to cross the river, which she did with ease. ‘If this milkmaid can do it believing in me, I should have greater powers’ thought the pundit. Lifting his dhoti with one hand he stepped into the water and promptly sank.

‘Oh! Master! What faith do you have? How can you cross the river if you believe your dhoti would get wet?’

You do not need an enlightened master to liberate you. All you need is absolute trust. A stone can liberate you. Ramakrishna was enlightened through his unshakeable faith in the statue of Mother Kali.

When you live with such trust and surrender your mind, body and senses to the entity you trust in, you are automatically enlightened!

Phroggy's picture

It is or it isn't

"if you believe in a particular God or Guru, believe it with all your might. Do not bother about whether he has power or not. Your faith has the power."

So, choose to believe whether you believe or not? Nobody can make such a choice. Beliefs are not chosen. Faith is not chosen. It is what it is.

Phroggy | Tue, 10/14/2008 - 09:21
Omkaradatta's picture


It IS kinda silly for someone to say "have faith, child", unless maybe one already has faith in the speaker. Such faith either is there or it isn't, one cannot cultivate or conjure it up. There are certainly things we can do to encourage trust and willingness, but that's beyond the scope of a blog posting.

Also -- I agree with the OP that our thoughts have a lot of power, but mostly just power to create suffering. There is very little else to be found in the realm of thought, unless you consider certain thoughts being 'better than' certain other thoughts. Better yet is to find our way beyond thought, transcend thought.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 01:43
madan_gautam's picture


Faith is the primary key to achieve HIM.
If some one is not having faith and try to achieve HIM,then it is like a blind man who say that he can see.
The main problem with most of the people is that they are not able to have faith and when they fail to achieve HIM they blame for it to the system or just argue unnecessary and try to prove them self right.Some time people try to achieve HIM through argument,some time by just creating imaginations about HIM.HE can not be achieved by any of the two methods,because HE is beyond argument,imaginations & thoughts.
HE can only be achieved through faith & surrender.People just gather the intelligence through books and come for unnecessary arguments without any experiences & try to prove them self right.No body can help them not even HE.

madan_gautam | Tue, 10/14/2008 - 11:26
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From my perspective, the term faith is not particularly meaningful. It is an imagined belief in something that is not known to be so, and so it also is imagination. It originates in trust and desire, and is expressed in the form of willingness and devotion. Although these terms also cannot be conjured at will, they are closer to the root of what is needed. Even closer to the root is what we may call a longing to know Truth at all cost. If there is no longing, it is not time, and all is futile.

Phroggy | Tue, 10/14/2008 - 18:25
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"Even closer to the root is what we may call a longing to know Truth at all cost. If there is no longing, it is not time, and all is futile."

I would actually disagree. We simply cannot know when it's time. There was no longing for truth here when the truth arrived.

Nisargadatta: "When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing, then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected!"

To date, every single account of 'awakening' I've run into (at least those that seemed valid) had the above as a common factor. But a longing for 'truth at all costs' certainly shows sincerity, earnestness.

The "cost", of course, is what you want the truth to be, your ideas about the truth. If you want THE truth, say goodbye to them.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 02:00
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Awakening theory

From my, admitedly incomplete, perspective, I would say that this longing/desire is what leads to sincerity/earnestness, and I won't say it's required because I hear tell of folks 'Awakening' without caring anything about it, but it seems to prepare the mind and remove most of the ignorance and allows a letting go of most of mind's grasping, but of course the longing itself is a grasping and must ultimately be let go of, which is why the pattern you mentioned takes over. (It's unlikely until the seeking ends)

I'm not an expert, but I've heard many stories of Awakening happening while seeking is still going on. I was just reading about Adyashanti's experience yesterday. I understand why it's advantageous for the seeking to end, but it doesn't seem to be a requirement.

Phroggy | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 04:48
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Oh, sure...

I agree there are no requirements, which is why I said "We simply cannot know when it's time." The potential issue with a longing for truth is that there must be something to long for, therefore an idea about what the truth is. Truth cannot be an idea about truth, as it involves freedom from the limitations of ideas.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 05:41
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There's been an emptiness here for quite some time, that used to be struggled with. No struggle anymore, and now I'm seeing myself approaching everything with this emptiness, meaning no particular motivation except perhaps to see what's true about it or to see it as it is instead of what I think it is or want it to be and so on. I can see that perhaps even the longing will fall away on it's own.

Phroggy | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 07:50
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" particular motivation except perhaps to see what's true about it or to see it as it is instead of what I think it is or want it to be and so on."

Fwiw, this never has to end, at least in my view. In a way, "awakening" is really just a beginning, in that we get to actively notice, accept, love and be everything. We don't need to filter out part of our perceptions anymore, that part which we don't like and/or doesn't fit "me" and my goals.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 08:20
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Yes, I see.

Phroggy | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 09:24
madan_gautam's picture

Arrogance & ignorance

Those who are arrogant & ignorant will try to put their- self justified ,but in reality they are in disillusion and are here for just business ( to earn money in name of spirituality)(you log on to their web site & they will earn).This is Sin & totally a Sin .
This is fact & true that most of seekers are being be fooled & a business is going through such spiritual sites even( though they are created by sincere beings for Enlightenment of people).I know that such suckers are already here to suck the bloods of anyone even their own blood. ,by these so called enlightened & spiritual people.
But the time has changed &
i hope that true seekers will avoid them away.
Those with out any Lineage any without being with any Enlightened Guru are here and misleading the truth seekers.
I would like to request all those false one to stop their so called business & do their business else where( this is not the right place). This is spiritual site and seekers are here after finding much more difficulties & it is my humble request that they(so called enlightened one & have so called spiritual web sites) may not fall pray to them .
I am not afraid of any one . i know that i may be debarred from here as done by other so called Western web sites.
But i am not afraid ,
If some body think that, he is enlightened by mere reading the Spiritual Docttrine & memorizing that One ,then he is fool & befouling him self & other truth seekers as well.People are here for truth seeking & not for another virtual game.At last my massage is >>>>>>>>>>Search your inner self.
let it may come any thing i am here for truth.
peace and light.

madan_gautam | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 14:24
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I agree...

I agree, but no reason to get upset - there will always be those selling water by the sea shore, and always those willing to buy.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 20:21
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Trust and surrender

Indeed very important, but can one trust and surrender to life itself? An entity might come first, but if this surrender can't be transferred to life then such faith may dissolve at any time. Many a priest has lost all faith in God, only to succumb to depression and a sense of failure. An idea like "God" can only go so far -- ultimately, trust has to be in the Self and in Life.

Trust in your own best wisdom, and never violate that trust. Follow your clarity, generosity, sincerity, honesty, inner peace, caring for people and for your Self, and your love of life. These cannot fail you.

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/15/2008 - 08:33
superwoman's picture

this is the reason why science can never convince us

many times people try to convince us about a certain spiritual wisdom by stating a scientific finding that supports this wisdom (e.g. the quantum mechanics that nowadays states that reality is not objective) but this is not a good approach becuase soon after the mind will turn back to its old beliefs because belief indeed does not come from the intellect. The main issue in doing this convincing is that without noticing we have elavated science into god: see, even science says so, so now you must believe.

faith cannot come from the intellect, this is a very short time influence. In order to have a true belief and faith, we must cultivate it from the heart. a good starting point is to not resist but accept our current disbelif, our current absence of faith.

superwoman | Thu, 10/16/2008 - 07:58