Editing of Guru Profiles

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I have seen a number of times that the details of the Guru profiles are being edited by unknown people and by this a no. of time the important details are deleted.
I would like to know who are those fellow ,who do such editing.
It is my request to admin also to let us know the name of editor, each time the editing is done.
I think it will put the restrictions for unnecessary editing and at the same time it will highlight the person for his/her hard working to improve the details.

kamil's picture

i saw something else

lol this is part of the principle here that everybody is editing and contributing to the guru profiles like in wikipedia, a guru is not owned by anybody.

Speaking of guru profiles, I saw people that just start guru profiles in dozens probably to earn karma points and do not take the effort to put anything except the bio which is usually just cut and paste from wikipedia without even ordering it a little and deleting the "[edit]" tags and footnote numbers and other garbage.

I think karma points should be given only to someone who really puts the minimum effort and puts the other tabs (videos, books, pics, teachings and so on).

kamil | Sun, 02/01/2009 - 08:50
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Karma Point

Why we people only see one aspect of life.Why do not we agree with other part of it,why always Karma point is involved.
The people who used to be on top are now also complains the same,though they also using the teachings and copying the books of others.
What does it shows ?
Why do not we see the hard work and sincerity in bringing the subjects and the matter on a single plate form.
And about gaining karma point is any one going to win Noble Prize?

madan_gautam | Sun, 02/01/2009 - 09:00
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An example

See for example in the profile of Swami Ramdev that you just posted -

They ask only names of countries in "Main Countries of Activity:" and you put the "and the whole world".

You don't put blanks after commas and put an extra comma at the end as in " Ramkishan Yadav,Baba Ramdev,"

Look at the date of birth you put: "Dec.-25-1965". Is it a new invented date format?

You just cut & paste the biography tab and that's it. You didn't even bother to scan it once and arrange it:

"Over 85 million people[1] follow his yoga camps via TV channels" - what is this [1]?

"[edit] Work" - what is this [edit]?

No other tabs, just the bio? doesn't he have teachings? doesn't he have an ashram? (location tab), doesn't he have pics? doesn't he have photos? doesn't he have links? doesn't he have books?

And this is just one profile for example. Come on, I don't think you have any minimum right to complain with such a clumsy hasty job. Seriously. No wonder people need to edit after you.

kamil | Sun, 02/01/2009 - 09:06
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I am not against the editing.It seems you have not gone through my original post.
My concern is only that at the time of edition some time the important things go missing.
I am concerned with that.
Rest i am happy that you are so serious to improve the profile of a guru.If so keep it up.As reflected by you about other missing related stuff,all are welcome to contribute here and it is so already,thats why it is being kept open for editing by others also,and not giving a copy right to creator only.
we are here for combined contribution and no single one achieve it alone.

madan_gautam | Sun, 02/01/2009 - 10:04
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Thanks and constructive comments

First, I think you are truly doing a great job in bringing these many important gurus to our attention. Many of these I was not aware of before.

Still, I agree with kamil that one must make at least the very minimum quality effort by abstaining from basic recurring punctuation errors, and mainly make a basic edit to a text if copied from another place. This enhances the chance of others to take an interest in the guru (when you see a skinny profile in a mess and "[edit]" scattered all around in the text and only unorganized bio tab you don't feel drawn to read). Why leave unnecessary dirty job to "others" - I suspect that the very need for basic editing by others is the very reason why important material unintentionally disappeared while concentrating on deleting and reorganizing and then things disappear in the work - others should contribute by concentrating on correcting the essence and adding information.

I would add to the attention of all another point to enhance readability (not only in guru profiles): be more conscious of upper/lower case letters, especially avoiding using only capital letters, and not starting a name, a term or a sentence with a capital letter.

And another comment to all - I think the most valuable info in the gurus is the locations, and there are quite some tidy profiles with good details about ashrams and centers that I used to visit the places (e.g. Meher Baba and Osho). if you know some info about ashram or center relating to a guru, please kindly put it in the locations there. There were many gurus that provoked my curiosity and if there was some details about the ashram I would have maybe visited the places.

suzame | Sun, 02/01/2009 - 12:19
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Thanks Suzames,
I do appreciate your comments and suggestions.
Yes it is our spiritual site and we are only responsible to maintain it and grow it.
Thanks for your suggestions and hope all of us will take care of it.

madan_gautam | Sun, 02/01/2009 - 17:38
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as if nothing ever said

You keep on neglecting completely the basic editing stuff as if nothing has ever been discussed here.

It is not that impressive to just cut and paste profiles from wikipedia and be lazy to complete the rest. It is better not to put anything than putting a disrespectable messy profile. Sorry but it reminds me the comments of a teacher to a spoiled child student.

I think that in such a case admins should delete the profile all together (anyway, there is no big loss of work) or take back the karma points if they are the reason for just putting something which is almost nothing.

For example the profile of Swami Dayananda Saraswati - I had to clean up after you like a secretary or a house keeper for 20 minutes just because of my respect to this important figure - why should others do the dirty job? - he was not a guru, the tags were irrelevant, you put only biography and mixed there also the teachings that should go in a separate tab, subject that includes hindi letters, comma left at end of tradition, error in other names, spaces in the beginning of dates, in other related gurus: "Swami Virjananda ___His Guru" - you could have spent 3 seconds of your holy time and see that it should be "Swami Virjananda - His Guru", small letters in beginning of names, citation numbers in the wikipedia pasted text, missing new lines in the pasted text, no space after commas, you even pasted the headlines of photos and didn't bother to read it once and delete them.

Come on, you are not a child, be more professional and neat - it will reflect on other domains also. There is a limit even to Indian negligence, especially when one tries to be spiritual and thus diligent and strict with oneself.

I really hope for the sake of the lives and being of others that when you give the shakti energetic initiation, you pay more attention and respect to your doing :-)

dank | Thu, 02/05/2009 - 15:56
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Think about this

If the "Swami Dayananda Saraswati" profile was never created in the first place you would never have had any profile to "clean up". So you see, Yogi Madan gave your life more purpose, you should be thanking him.

Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om

Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Thu, 02/05/2009 - 16:55
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You may/are true and i like your spirit and devotion towards this site and Gurus profile.
No one is perfect and nor I,I may be perfect in one field but not in all,but at least i can try to create/do some positive and i know rest will be taken care by mature and perfect in their field.
I always play in the lap of my Divine Mother,and rest all my spiritual brothers take care of me and my work.
Thanks once again.

madan_gautam | Thu, 02/05/2009 - 18:19
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It's interesting and useful to note that the most vocal critics of how things are done here are themselves the primary contributors to the difficulties they address.

One poster complains of the need to control the number of posts, while he himself posts dozen's of times a day, sometimes effectively hiding the contributions of others on page 3 of the new posts.

Another poster complains of profile editing that results in omission of important information, while himself being a primary cause of such major omissions.

This is projection in one of it's more blatant forms, and the purpose of mentioning it is not to create disharmony or to disrespect anyone, nor is it judgmental ego out of control, nor is it childish or denoting a low level of spiritual maturity or any other reason ego may come up with. The purpose is simply to bring clarity to an unconscious process that stands as a major obstacle to our own spiritual maturity, integrity and clarity.

Every ego projects, and bringing such projections to the light of conscious awareness, ends them. That's all that is needed since they can only function in the darkness. While enlightenment is not something that can be done by anyone, this is something we can all do.

Phroggy | Sun, 02/01/2009 - 21:01
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Your old song at each plateform

Thanks for sharing your feelings and commenting here with us but it is old song again.
yes Enlightenment is not something that can be done by any one,but some one can rectify the shortsightness by recommending a perfect lense& that can be more than Enlightenment for him.
One can not get Enlightenment by just reading the books and doing nothing and thinking that he is Enlightened now.This is the biggest and last hurdle in the path .
This is shortsightness and it can be rectified if some one accept it& if not let him with shortsightness and feel him self Enlightened.
What is Enlightenment?
just following the old books and preaching of other dead one or just to go deep inside and evaluate self? There is Nowhere else to go but inside.


madan_gautam | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 06:55
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Reading unconsciously

Hi Madan
My comments were not about the accesibility of enlightenment, and what I said I have never said here before. My comments were about unconscious projection. Though when it comes to Awakening, I don't believe any requirements can be set, I believe the probability of one Awakening without first becoming conscious is extremely low. Some would even say that to be fully conscious IS Awakening.

What I mean by becoming conscious is to be always aware of one's true motives and the foundation of our desires and opinions and fears. To always know what we are feeling and why, to know the difference between our own dispassionate discernment, and our judgment that arises from resistance. It means not being driven through life by thoughts and feelings that we're not even consciously aware of. It means withdrawing all projections.

What I have mentioned before is that I often see zombies. What I mean by this is that I clearly see folks being driven by forces they have no conscious awareness of, being pushed this way and that by feelings they don't understand and forming opinions on the basis of motivations they won't allow themselves to even see. The result is a human who seems to be half asleep, only peripherally aware of why he thinks, feels and acts as he does. There is a certain tragic sense to this when it is seen that it applies to the overwhelming majority of humans, whether they are on a spiritual path or not.

Phroggy | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 10:39
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Who should be allowed to add or take from a gurus profile then?

If you fail to relinquish control of others, you are only failing to control yourself. I wonder if you are afraid that someone may change your guru profile?

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 17:25
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guru profile

It is my request to pl. read the original post and see its depth before posting here.
You will find your answer in that.

madan_gautam | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 19:04
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Why do we need to know who did it? Why does a person need to recognized for hard work...? This leads to same reason why I was saying that Karma points are not necessary. Focusing on the reward(praise, points, honor) instead of the work leads to sloppy work. If our actions are rooted in the love for others then would that not be enough?

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 19:10
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well done

Well done my boy.
you are going in right direction of so called Enlightenment(as others are here).
Keep it up and you will be on top a day in regards to other Buddha's.
I like your spirit.
keep it and do not let it loose as it is just starting and you will find too much hurdles in your true Enlightenment.
The so called smart words are not the sign of Enlightenment, you have to be more in depth & depth & smart enough.
Choose what you want,smartness or Enlightenment.
Choice is yours.

madan_gautam | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 19:20
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Thank you, honestly I am not interested in smartness nor enlightenment. They come and go. The truth will stay and the rest will fade away with old age anyways.

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 19:40
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Thanks for your truth. But

Thanks for your truth.
But any way what is truth?
It is that what you see or it is that what you have still not felt .
Once you reach to your truth ,then it will be glad to meet you again in that form, with your own truth.
Till then i am waiting for you.

madan_gautam | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 19:46
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"Once you reach to your truth"

I wonder who can claim such a title as "Owner" of truth?
I know it is not me. In reality, if we both saw each other's truth with out all the bells and whistles attached we would not see a difference. Truth is universal and eternal. It is only our perception of the truth that may differ.

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 19:59
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If enlightenment "comes and goes" then it is not enlightenment. What that term generally refers to is the event of Self realization that happens through a particular mind/body. Sometimes folks have difficulty abiding permanently in this 'state' because ego reactivates and the ego work must be completed, but if there is a deep realization, not even death can make it "go".

Phroggy | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 20:08
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"If enlightenment "comes and goes" then it is not enlightenment. What that term generally refers to is the event of Self realization that happens through a particular mind/body. Sometimes folks have difficulty abiding permanently in this 'state' because ego reactivates and the ego work must be completed, but if there is a deep realization, not even death can make it "go"."

Yeah, that would describe me...so instead of enlightment I probably should of said "bouts of inspiration".

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 20:09
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And maybe (not sure, so I don't mean to put words in your mouth) we're talking about mind states and spiritual experiences, which do indeed come and go. I would say, just based on what I've seen, that those who think they're enlightened as a result of one of these temporary mind states, outnumber the truly 'enlightened' by something on the order of tens of thousands to one. These forums are lousy with em and you can't swing a stick without hitting an enlightened guru.:)~

Phroggy | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 22:52
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!!!! @_o

I agree!!!...yes 4 more karma points...just 9000 more and I will be the karma king!lol

Michaelji Mahatma Ramaprasad

Michael ji Rama... | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 22:59
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Hehe. Which reminds me, I need to go check my points and see if I have enough to buy that Mercedes yet. :)

Phroggy | Tue, 02/03/2009 - 00:03
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Mercedes yet. :)

Why do you worry about Mercedes,as already I have offered you all my points for purchasing it.
Ha ha ha

madan_gautam | Tue, 02/03/2009 - 13:19
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Ohh, and I appreciate your generosity, Madan, but it's the desiring of the Mercedes that I actually want. If I got it, then I would have to find something else to desire. :)

Phroggy | Tue, 02/03/2009 - 21:18
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Desiring of the Mercedes that I actually want.

Ha ha ha
Its good to have desires till their fulfillment as otherwise they will come up/create problems again in next life.
One should get rid of all desires as they are hurdles in Enlightenment.
So better to go through them instead to depress them.
Letting GO.
Ha ha ha

madan_gautam | Wed, 02/04/2009 - 14:32
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Yes, and one must see the ephemeral nature and ultimate futility of all desires, including enlightenement, since this is not the fulfillment of desire but rather the ending of the one who desires.

Phroggy | Thu, 02/05/2009 - 03:30
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Not even death can make it "go".

Yes I fully agree with your words.

madan_gautam | Mon, 02/02/2009 - 20:22
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Ego work

Strictly speaking, there is no ego work to complete... one gets done with "playing ego" might be a better way of putting it ;-).

When the notion of 'something' working 'toward something' is seen as the delusion it is, ego work "becomes" the impossibility it always was.

Of course, to an outside observer things might appear differently. The one witness of memory is always free to be subject to memory's dictates... or not.


Omkaradatta | Tue, 02/03/2009 - 01:48