Devotees Surpasses Advaitins

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Devotees Surpasses Advaitins

The knowledge consists of three components (Triputi). 1) The goal 2) The soul 3) The path of the soul to please the goal. The knowledge of the world is not dealt separately because the knowledge of the soul itself is the knowledge of the world since the soul is a part of the world. When the devotees criticizes the knowledge, they should specify the component of the knowledge. The devotee cannot criticize the goal because the goal is God. The knowledge of God generates the attraction (devotion) to God. This component is spoiled by Advaitins who say that the soul in every human being is God.

In this component, the devotees are almost correct; who selected a particular energetic form like Narayana is only God. In the same way, if Advaitins says that a particular human being like Krishna is only God, the Advaitins are equal to the devotees. In such case, Advaitins can be even treated as greater devotees because they have selected the relevant human form rather than the irrelevant energetic form.

The devotees might have become Advaitins, had they told that every energetic form (Every angel) is God. Therefore, the devotees have surpassed the Advaitins in this component. But still in this component the devotees are not perfect. They have neglected the human form of God and are after the irrelevant (to the earth) energetic form. They are fixed to a particular energetic form only (like Narayana) and reject the other energetic forms like Shiva and Brahma. This violates the omnipotence of God to be in various forms simultaneously.

The second component is the soul or the world. For Advaitins the goal and soul are one and the same. For them only world without the soul is left over. The world is unreal for them. It is correct if the world is limited to Maya only. For the devotees the soul is a part of the world only. In this point also the devotees have surpassed Advaitins. The devotees say that the world is real and therefore the soul is also real. If every thing is real, where is the liberation? You should be liberated from unreal to attain the real.

When the soul is real like God, there is no need of liberation of the soul from the real world. A reality (soul) need not be liberated from another reality (world) to attain some other reality (God). If the world is confined only to Maha Maya and Mula Maya, the world is real. When the body disintegrates, only the form of the body is disappearing. The awareness (soul), the forms of the energy like light, heat etc., and the matter remain real. In this case even the feelings or thoughts (qualities) remain real accompanying the soul as Vasanas. The soul qualified by these feelings is Jeeva. Jeeva remains real after death, who travels to the upper world in the energetic body. This does not mean that feelings are real and can be treated as Maha Maya.

The feelings can be destroyed by the real knowledge and therefore the feelings are also Maya only like the form of the body. The devotee should cross this Maya with the help of knowledge given by God (Second chapter of Gita) so that the devotee is no more attracted by the world even if he comes out of the devotion for some time to take rest. In this aspect the Advaitins surpass the devotees who have analyzed the world correctly. But the Advaitains should remember that Maya is only unreal where as the other two (Maha Maya and Mula Maya) are real. Shankara says that the soul should get liberation from Maya only (Mayamayamidamakhinam Hittva….).

He gave the definition of the world as Nama and Rupa only. Nama is the name. Rupa is the form. The form of matter is pot. The form of awareness is feeling like love, cruelty etc. The pot, love, cruelty etc., are the names. Only Maya is to be discarded (Hittva). If you take the world as Maya, Maha Maya and Mula Maya, then the whole world is mixture of reality (Maha Maya and Mula Maya) and unreality (Maya) as per Shankara (Satyanrute Mithuni Krutya….). A mixture of reality and unreality can be neither stated as full real or as full unreal and is called as Mithya by Shankara (Sadasat Vilakshana…). All this is from the angle of the soul. From the angle of God (relative God) the world is real but unreal being negligible. A very little part of the primary energy is modified in to the world and thus it is very much negligible before the infinite ocean of primary energy charged by God. Therefore, for God also the world is Mithya since it is real but negligible.

Therefore, the devotees must accept the knowledge of Maya in order to protect their bond with God. Such knowledge of Maya acts like pesticide whenever Maya attacks the soul. The knowledge of God acts like water and fertilizer for the generation and growth of devotion-plant. The knowledge of Maya protects this plant from infection so that the plant becomes a strong huge tree. Thus, knowledge is generator like water, developer like fertilizer and protector like pesticide for the devotion-plant. It is only out of innocence the devotees criticize the knowledge. They can eliminate the impurity from the knowledge and use it properly for the overall development of devotion. The devotee is just like a seed without water, fertilizer and pesticide, if the knowledge is rejected. He cannot attain any fruit for his devotion-seed. Similarly, mere knowledge without devotion is the impossibility to get any fruit from water, fertilizer and pesticide.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

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I agree... devotion and 'Self-knowledge' go hand in hand. The two paths may diverge prior to Self-realization, but afterward they are one.

However, there is no conflict or competition happening between jnana and bhakti, as you seem to be perceiving. The two paths are attractive to different people, as per innate tendencies or samskaras. All is well with the universe, friend.

Omkaradatta | Sat, 12/27/2008 - 21:34
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Knowledge & devotion

The preachers are stressing on the relief of the worldly stress only. The preacher should not stop at this point. He should impress on the minds of disciples regarding the greatest stress that is to be received at the time of and after the death. The solution for the worldly stress is attainment of self (Atma Yoga). This solution is also not real because it does not solve worldly problems. It only gives you the detachment like a sleep tablet. Even in this field of Atma Yoga, if you want the solution for the problem so that you will be relieved from the stress through the solution only, God has to be introduced (Brahma Yoga). Both the introduction of self and super self (God) come under the topic of Jnana Yoga. People misunderstand that Jnana Yoga means only self attainment. Jnana yoga means attainment of some thing by knowing its details. When Rukmini got the details of Krishna from Narada, it was Jnana Yoga.

In fact, in self attainment, there is no real attainment. Will you say that you have reached yourself after journey? Attainment means getting something other than yourself by some effort for which the details of that some thing are needed. Such details are called as Jnana Yoga. Therefore, in the path of attainment of super self by devotion (Bhakti) also, knowledge (Jnana) is essential. Even in Atma Yoga, if one is very much interested, such intensive interest is self devotion. Thus, Jnana and Bhakti are not two different paths. Both these are components of each path. The two paths are: 1) Self attainment 2) Super self attainment.

The details of self (Jnana), deep interest (Bhakti) on self and the self service (like self eating in the name of offering to God) are the three components of the first path. The details of God, deep interest on God and service to God (like offering food to God in human form or to His best devotees) are the same corresponding components of the second path. Hence, quarrel between the followers of knowledge and devotion is meaningless because they have not cared to analyze the facts.

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

dattaswami2 | Sun, 12/28/2008 - 06:42
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Supersize me

"The two paths are: 1) Self attainment 2) Super self attainment."

Does the latter come with large fries and a drink?...

Phroggy | Sun, 12/28/2008 - 08:03