Creation of bad in this world

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Creation of bad in this world
The bad is created for the sake of the souls only.

People often get the doubt about the creation of bad in this world apart from good. Let us come to the original point. Again, another doubt comes that the creation of bad directly or indirectly spoils the souls and hence, it is objectionable. This objection is also ruled out because the process of examination of the souls is essential for giving the divine fruit. Unless the attraction to bad exists, there is no meaning of examination. The teacher always advises the students to concentrate on studies without going to cinema.

Those who concentrated on studies resisting that attraction are rewarded. You cannot say that all the cinema theaters in the city should be destroyed so that the disturbance of concentration can be avoided. The theatre exists in the city to give entertainment to the retired public. Therefore, the aspect of the entertainment of the retired public cannot contradict the aspect of concentration of students on studies. You should not bring the retired public and the students on one line.

Similarly, you should not bring God and souls on one line. Moreover, unless the theatre exists, there is no meaning in the aspect of concentration on studies resisting the side attractions. If the side attraction is absent, where is the concept of concentration and where is the concept of examination? Such situation leads to meaningless dormant inactivity and lack of spirit of competition, which again bores the students themselves. Then, the students themselves will raise objection. Hence, the bad is created for the sake of the souls only.

God derives the entertainment from both good and bad and such entertainment is not wrong since bad is not created primarily for the sake of such entertainment only. The entertainment is only secondary since the creation of bad was not done at all for His entertainment. You need not object such entertainment of God when it is not the primary purpose. You cannot say that the founder of a college is responsible for the suicide of a student on failing in the examination. You say that if the founder has not established the college, this incident should not have happened and therefore, the founder is criminal and should be punished!
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Dear Brother Dattaswami gee

Dear Sir According to my Knowledge.
How were the Souls Caught in Kaal’s Trap?

21 Brahmands of Kaal
Important: - When Brahm (Jyoti Niranjan) was meditating, we all souls who now live in Jyoti Niranjan’s twenty-one (21) brahmands, got attracted towards his meditation and started loving him from the core. We got separated from our happiness-giving God. We failed in our loyalty towards our Master. Even on being repeatedly warned by the Purna Prabhu (Supreme God), we did not get distracted from Kshar Purush.

{To date, this effect is present in all of us. Like young children get attracted towards the fake acts of filmstars (actors and actresses) and the role played by them for their living. They do not even stop on being restrained. If any actor or actress comes in a nearby city then, a huge crowd of these foolish youngsters gathers there just to have a glimpse of them, when they have nothing to do with them. Actors are earning their living, and youngsters are getting ruined. No matter how much their parents may try to discourage them, children do not bother and keep going there secretively}.

Purna Brahm KavirDev (God Kabir) asked Kshar Purush, “Tell me, what do you want?” Kshar Purush said, “Father, this place is insufficient for me. Kindly grant me a separate dweep (island)”. Hakka Kabir (Sat Kabir) gave him 21 (twenty-one) brahmands. After some time, Jyoti Niranjan thought that some construction should be done in it. What is the use of vacant brahmands (plots)? Thinking this, he meditated for 70 yugas and requested Supreme God KavirDev (God Kabir) for some construction material. SatPurush gave him three qualities and five elements with which Brahm (Jyoti Niranjan) did some construction in his brahmands. Then he thought that there should also be some living beings in these brahmands, as I feel lonesome. With this intention, he again meditated for 64 (sixty-four) yugas. On being asked by the Supreme God, he said that give me some souls, I feel very lonely here. Then SatPurush Kaviragni (God Kabir) said that Brahm, I can give you more brahmands for your Tap (meditation) but cannot give you My souls in return for any Jap -Tap or devotion. Yes, if any of the souls wants to go with you willingly, then one can go. On hearing Yuva Kavir’s (All-Capable Kabir) words, Jyoti Niranjan came to all of us. We all souls were already attracted towards him. We surrounded him. Jyoti Niranjan said, “I have obtained 21 brahmands from Father. There, I have built several luring places. Will you come with me?” We all souls who are today suffering in these 21 brahmands said that we are ready, if Father permits. Kshar Purush went to Purna Brahm Mahan Kavir (All-Capable Kabir God) and told Him everything. Then Kaviragni (God Kabir) said that I will allow those who will give consent in front of me. Kshar Purush and Param Akshar Purush (Kaviramitauja ) both came to all of us souls (hans-aatmas ). Sat KavirDev said that whichever soul wants to go with Brahm should give his consent by raising his hand. Nobody dared in front of Father. Nobody gave consent. There was pin drop silence for a long time. Thereafter, one soul dared and said, “Father, I want to go”. And then in imitation of him, all other souls [who are now trapped in Kaal’s (Brahm’s) 21 brahmands] gave consent too. God Kabir Ji told Jyoti Niranjan that you go to your place. I will send all those souls who have given consent to go with you, to you. Jyoti Niranjan went to his 21 brahmands. Till then, these 21 brahmands were in Satlok only.

Later, Purna Brahm gave a girl’s appearance to the soul who gave the first consent, but did not create any female genitals. He inserted all the souls (who had consented to go with Jyoti Niranjan/Brahm) in that girl’s body and named her Ashtra (Aadi Maya / Prakriti Devi / Durga), and said that daughter, I have granted you ‘word power’ (shabd shakti). You may produce as many living beings as Brahm says.

KavirDev (Kabir Dev/God Kabir) sent Prakriti Devi to Kshar Purush through His son Sahaj Das. Sahaj Das told Jyoti Niranjan that Father has inserted all those souls who had consented to go with you in this sister’s body and has granted ‘word’ power to her. Prakriti will produce as many living beings as you want with her word (shabd). After saying this Sahaj Das returned to his dweep.

The girl, being young, looked beautiful. Sexual desires arose in Brahm and he started misbehaving with Prakriti Devi . Durga said that Jyoti Niranjan I have the power of word, granted by Father. I will produce as many living beings as you will say. Please do not start the custom of intercourse. You have also originated from the same Father’s word, from an egg, and I also originated from that same Supreme Father’s word after that. You are my elder brother. This act between a brother and a sister will lead to a heinous sin. But Jyoti Niranjan ignored all her appeals and by his shabd shakti made female genitals on her body with his nails and tried to rape her. Immediately, Durga, in order to save herself and finding no other way out, made a miniature form of her and via Jyoti Niranjan’s opened mouth, entered into his stomach. From there, she requested Purna Brahm Kavir Dev to save her.

KavirDev (Kabir Dev/God Kabir), in the form of His own son Yog Santayan alias Jogjit, instantly appeared there, took the girl out of Brahm’s stomach and said that Jyoti Niranjan, from now on you will be called ‘Kaal’. You will have births and deaths and therefore, your name will be Kshar Purush. You will eat one-lakh human beings and produce a lakh and a quarter, daily. You both, along with the 21 brahmands, are expelled from here. Immediately, 21 brahmands started moving from there like an aircraft, passed Sahaj Das’s dweep and came 16 sankh Kos (one Kos is approximately 3 k.m.) away from Satlok and stopped.

Special description: - Until now there has been a description of three powers.

1. Purna Brahm (Supreme Brahm) who is also known by other similar names, like SatPurush, AkaalPurush, Shabd Swaroopi Ram, Param Akshar Brahm/Purush etc. This Purna Brahm is the Master of infinite brahmands and is immortal in reality.

2. ParBrahm, who is also known as Akshar Purush. He is not immortal in reality. He is the master of seven sankh brahmands.

3. Brahm is known by Jyoti Niranjan, Kaal, Kael, Kshar Purush and Dharmrai etc names; he is the master of only twenty-one brahmands. Now an introduction of one brahmand of this Brahm’s (Kaal) creation will be given, in which you will find three more names – Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiv.

Difference between Brahm and Brahma – After creating three secret places in one brahmand’s highest place, Brahm (Kshar Purush) himself resides in Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiv form and with the cooperation of his wife Prakriti (Durga) gives rise to three sons. He keeps their names as Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiv only. Brahma, who is the son of Brahm, is the minister (master) of Rajgun department in only three loks (Earth, Heaven, and Nether World) in one brahmand. He is called Trilokiye (of the three loks) Brahma. And Brahm, who lives in Brahmlok in Brahma-form, is called as MahaBrahma, and Brahmlokiye (Brahma of Brahm lok) Brahma. This very Brahm (Kaal) is also called SadaShiv, MahaShiv, and MahaVishnu.

Shri Brahma Ji, Shri Vishnu Ji and Shri Shiv Ji’s Birth

One Brahmand of Kaal
Kaal (Brahm) said to Prakriti (Durga) that who can harm me now? I will do what I want. Prakriti again pleaded him to have some shame. Firstly, you are my elder brother because you (Brahm) were born from an egg by the word power of the same Purna Parmatma KavirDev, and later I was also born from the same God’s word. Secondly, I have come out of your stomach, so I am your daughter now and you are my father. It would be highly sinful to malign these pure relationships. I have word power granted by father. I will produce as many living beings as you will say with my word. Jyoti Niranjan ignored Durga’s all appeals and said that I have already got the punishment I deserved; I have been expelled from Satlok. Now I will do what ever I wish. On saying this, he forcefully married Durga who then gave birth to three sons (Brahma Ji – equipped with Rajogun, Vishnu Ji – equipped with Satogun and Shiv Shankar Ji – equipped with Tamogun).

Brahm keeps the three sons unconscious through Durga until they grow up. When they grow up, Brahm brings Shri Brahma Ji into consciousness on a lotus flower, Shri Vishnu Ji on a snake bed (Shesh Shaiya) and Shri Shiv Ji on a Kailash mountain. He then makes them assemble, gets the trio married via Prakriti (Durga), and appoints them (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv) as ministers of one department each, in three loks [Heaven (Swarglok), Earth (Prithvilok) and Nether world (Patal lok)] in one brahmand; for instance, Shri Brahma Ji of Rajogun department, Shri Vishnu Ji of Satogun department and Shri Shiv Shankar Ji of Tamogun department, and himself (Brahm) secretely (MahaBrahma – MahaVishnu – MahaShiv) holds the post of a Chief Minister.

In one Brahmand, Brahm has created one Brahmlok. In that, he has built three secret places. One is Rajogun-dominated place where this Brahm (Kaal) himself lives in MahaBrahma form and keeps his wife Durga in MahaSavitiri form. The son born from them in this place automatically becomes Rajoguni. The second place has been built Satogun-dominated. There this Kshar Purush himself lives in MahaVishnu form and keeping his wife Durga in MahaLakshmi form gives birth to a son whom he names Vishnu. This child is endowed with Satogun. This Kaal only has built a third place there dominated with Tamogun. There he himself lives in SadaShiv form and keeps his wife Durga in MahaParvati form. They name the son born there from them as Shiv and endow him with Tamogun. (For reference see Holy book Shri Shiv Mahapuran, Rudra Sanhita, Adhyay 6, 7 and 9, Page no. 100, translator Shri Hanuman Prasad Poddar, Published from Gita Press Gorakhpur; and Holy book Shri Mad´DeviMahapuran, Third Skand, Adhyay 1 to 5, Page no. 114 to 123, Published from Gita Press Gorakhpur, translator: Shri Hanuman Prasad Poddar, Chiman Lal Goswami). Brahm keeps the trio in ignorance, and for his food, gets living beings produced by Shri Brahma Ji, preserved by Shri Vishnu Ji (by developing love and affection in everyone to keep them in Kaal lok) and destroyed by Shri Shiv Ji [because Kaal Purush has to take out the grime from the immaterial/astral bodies (Sukshm Shareer ) of one-lakh human beings to eat it, because of the effect of the curse on him. For that there is a piece of rock (tapatshila) in the twenty-first brahmand, which automatically remains hot. On that he melts the grime and then eats it. Human beings do not die but the pain is unbearable. Then, on the basis of their actions (karmas), grants other bodies to the living beings].

For example, there are three rooms in a house. If in one room, there are indecent pictures on the wall, then on entering that room, vulgar thoughts crop up in mind. In the second room, if there are pictures of sages, saints and devotees, then good thoughts keep emerging in the mind and one also remains engrossed in the thoughts of God. In the third room, if there are pictures of patriots and martyrs then similar passionate and zealous thoughts arise in mind. Similarly, Brahm (Kaal) with his wisdom has created the places dominating in the above-mentioned three qualities.

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Faial Nazir
Rawalpindi Pakistan

faisal77nazir | Mon, 11/22/2010 - 05:57
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Creation of bad in this world apart from good

Creation of bad in this world apart from good
God is associated with both good and bad
The fundamental aspect of creation of this Universe by God is only entertainment



People often get the doubt about the creation of bad in this world apart from good. The bad is related to the qualities of Rajas and Tamas. The good is related to the quality of Sattvam. Since God is the Creator and Maintainer of both good and bad, He is associated with both good and bad. This is clear when we say that Vishnu is associated with Sattvam, Brahma is associated with Rajas and Shiva is associated with Tamas.

The doubt is that God should have been always in the form of Vishnu only. In fact, there is a sect called Vaishnavas, who follow this point. They treat God as Vishnu or Narayana only. In such case, God should not be the Creator of the entire world since bad is also a part of the world. This will limit God to the partial capacity of Creation. Even if you say that bad is the creation of souls, since God is the Creator of all the souls, the indirect responsibility of bad appears to God.

Otherwise, God should have made bad to disappear as soon as it is created by the souls. The maintenance of bad should not have been possible without the will of God, since will of God is the reason of everything in the Creation. The fundamental aspect of creation of this Universe by God is only entertainment as said in the Veda (Ekakinaramate…) and in the Brahma Sutras (Lokavattu…). The entertainment in single phase of good is always boring. When you eat a sweet dish continuously, you require the hot pickle also now and then to give a break in eating the sweet. This break or change gives you the reinforcement of taste to eat sweet again. In eating the meals, both dishes of sweet and hot are always maintained.

You may say that this necessity of break belongs to the lower human beings but not to the highest God. In such case, the entertainment is also related to lower human beings but not to highest God. If that is true, the scripture should not have told the requirement of entertainment for God. You cannot contradict the Scripture since its Author is God and this is explained by the 3rd Brahma Sutra (Sastrayonitvat). In the subject of unimaginable God, the unimaginable God alone can be the authority.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony
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dattaswami2 | Mon, 11/22/2010 - 06:18
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Define bad. Bad from which

Define bad.

Bad from which perspective?

angel76 | Tue, 11/23/2010 - 06:53
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The Lord is always kindest and is interested in the happiness of all the human beings that are His children only. Gita says that the Lord is the father of all the living beings (Aham Bija Pradah Pita). The father always tries to favour His children and likes to see His children to be always happy. Originally only good path was created and all the human beings were permanently happy forever.

There was no trace of sorrow in their minds. That was called ‘Kruta Yuga’ or ‘Satya Yuga’ in which the deity of justice was standing on four legs. But in due course of time the continuous happiness started boring the human beings. One cannot eat sweets continuously. This reminds the “Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility” in Economics. They were bored and started feeling unhappy. Their minds were disturbed due to continuous happiness.

Therefore there was a need of break in the continuous happiness. That break can be only sorrow, which can be the fruit of sin only. Therefore the chilies were needed as breaks in the continuous eating of sweets.

Only for the happiness of His children, the Lord created the sin. He gave freedom to the souls so that they commit the sins and earn the chilies. Then the Lord arranged the life cycles by keeping sweets and chilies alternatively. Such arrangement alone can bring the real permanent happiness without boring. If it is continuous winter, you will get bored.

Summer is necessary. If it is continuous daytime it will be boring. Night is necessary. Even in the food the Lord created both sweets and chilies so that His children will enjoy the meals without boring. While eating the food, people will eat sweet dishes and hot dishes alternatively. Similarly the life cycle was arranged. Therefore creation of sin originally by the Lord shows only the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

Even if you have done two sins continuously, He is not giving the results of those two sins subsequently. In between these two sins a sweet result of good deed is penetrated so that the whole life cycle is an alternative arrangement of sweet and hot dishes i.e., results of good deeds and bad deeds. Such arrangement also shows the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

But what are you doing? You are pestering the God by showing false love through words (prayers) and mind (devotion) for removing the chilies and for getting sweets continuously. Since your love is not true, the Lord will not interfere with the theory of Karma, which says that one must enjoy the results of good and bad deeds. Therefore when you are pestering the Lord He is bringing the sweets from your future cycles as pre-matured fixed deposits with reduced values.

He is postponing your present chilies to the future cycles with added interests. Therefore as you are passing through the life cycles you are slowly entering such life cycles in which you are finding many number of chilies and less number of sweets. Remember that your future cycles are going to be full of chilies only without a single sweet.

In such life cycles the Lord cannot help you even if you cry to any extent. Then you are loosing your faith in the Lord and you will do sins only in such life cycles. Such sins will create further life cycles full of chilies only. Like this a chain reaction is set up and there is no end for such cycles of chilies and finally you will be born as a worm in drainage, which continuously undergoes misery only.

By doing rituals and doing certain worships and donations as suggested by astrologers, your sin is not cancelled and you will not get the fruit of a good deed, which was not done by you. These rituals suggested by priests and astrologers are of two types. 1) Trying to please the Lord by prayers (words) and devotion or meditation (mind). This type resembles the path of a prostitute who tries to please a person by words and feelings only to get some fruit from that person practically.

2) Trying to please the Lord by sacrificing work (Karma Sanyasa) and by sacrificing fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) for getting some fruit from the Lord in return. This is the type of business of a merchant in which you give something and take something in return. In both these ways your future sweets are only brought to this life cycle and your present chilies are pushed to your future life cycles, because your love in these two ways is completely false.

In true love you will do Karma Sanyasa and Karma Phala Tyaga without aspiring any fruit in return. Of course sacrifice of words and mind to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return is good, but cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. When you sacrifice words and mind, you are getting peace and pleasure in your heart and that it self is the fruit for that. When you are working in a field you are singing a song.

The owner of the field will pay for your work only but not for your singing. The work alone can bring the fruit, which is called Karma Yoga that consists of Karma Sanyasa and Karma Phala Tyaga. While doing Karma Yoga you may chant or sing or express devotion for your peace and your happiness only. That cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. EX: Suppose you work in the field for one hour and sing the songs for another hour without doing the work, the owner will pay you for one hour only and not for two hours.

There is only one path to get rid of the fruits of your sins and to get the fruit of good deeds, which you have not done. When you serve the Lord in human form here in this world, the Lord in human form will transfer your sins upon Him and will suffer for your sake. As a servant of the Lord, you are entering the second cycle called ‘Deva Yaana’ or ‘Jyothir Marga’ as explained in Gita. You will go to Brahmaloka along with the Lord and derive continuous happiness here and there in the presence of the Lord.

But in this path you should serve the Lord without aspiring any fruit and even this path. Such selfless service consists of Karma Sanyasa as done by Hanuman to Rama and Karma Phala Tyaga as done by Gopikas by offering butter to Krishna. In this path recognition of human incarnation of the Lord is very very important. The Lord comes in every human generation. Otherwise the Lord becomes partial to a particular human generation.

Hanuman and Gopikas never worshipped statues or photos of previous incarnations or the Gods present in the upper worlds like Brahma, Vishnu, Siva etc. In human body only, the Lord can enjoy your sins really as any other human being. Then only He can do the justice to the Law of Justice. Otherwise in the form of a statue or a photo He cannot enjoy your sins and therefore the Lord is never entering the statue or photo as said in Veda ‘Natasya Pratima Asti’.

Therefore the original creation of sin by God cannot be blamed. In fact it shows His infinite kindness to see His children to be really happy with alternative enjoyment of sweet and hot dishes.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

dattaswami2 | Tue, 11/23/2010 - 08:01